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Post  W3st909 on Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:55 pm

Its a year old but still good info


More than four dozen people with alleged ties to a violent Ontario street gang are behind bars facing federal charges, and eight others are being sought, prosecutors said today.

The 27 suspects rounded up today join 25 defendants already in custody in the investigation of the Black Angels, a 450-member Latino street gang that was formed in Ontario more than 50 years ago and claims the entire San Bernardino County city as its turf, according to U.S. Attorney's Office
spokesman Thom Mrozek.

Today's arrests were the result of two indictments returned by a federal grand jury in Los Angeles in recent weeks. The main indictment names 50 defendants, three dozen of whom are charged under the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations Act, Mrozek said.

In addition to the RICO charges, the indictment alleges violent crimes in aid of racketeering, conspiracies to distribute heroin and methamphetamine and firearms violations.

A second indictment charges another 10 defendants with narcotics trafficking violations.

The lead defendant in the racketeering case is Armando "Mando'' Barajas, a 46-year-old suspected Mexican Mafia member who lives in Pomona and allegedly controls the gang's activities, including narcotics distribution, Mrozek said. He was arrested today, the spokesman said.

The Black Angels membership also includes those connected to two subgroups Ontario Varrio Sur and Junior Black Angels, Mrozek said. The indictment alleges that Black Angels leaders recruited and initiated juveniles to join the gang by visiting high schools in search of potential members.

The Black Angels gang is allegedly aligned with the Mexican Mafia, and there are at least four Mexican Mafia members in the gang, according to the indictment.

Along with the distribution of narcotics, leaders of the gang extorted "taxes'' from local drug dealers in exchange for permission to operate in gang-regulated areas, the indictment alleges.

The group's drug trafficking activities also include smuggling narcotics into prisons for the benefit of incarcerated Mexican Mafia and Black Angels members, according to prosecutors.

The RICO conspiracy count in the indictment alleges a series of specific overt acts, including the possession of one pound of methamphetamine; transporting narcotics from Mexico into the United States; shooting at police during a high-speed chase; an armed robbery of a convenience store; and the murder of a Black Angels member who ran afoul of the gang, Mrozek said.

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Post  SURCALMEX on Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:34 am

I think theirs more than that plus all the younger OVS vatos
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Post  W3st909 on Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:44 am

yea thats true theres no tellin how deep they are ontario is a big ass city

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Post  geyez on Thu May 05, 2011 7:24 pm

[quote="W3st909"]yea thats true theres no tellin how deep they are ontario is a big ass city[/quote]

there big for nothing they dont even expand out their city

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Post  EVANS STR. GANG on Fri May 06, 2011 4:01 am

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W3st909 wrote:yea thats true theres no tellin how deep they are ontario is a big ass city

there big for nothing they dont even expand out their city

i personally don't see wut the point of expanding into other areas is, i see alot of "varrios" trying to do that.. this isn't the old times like when europe was trying to expand into other areas all over the world.. i see it as: u have a varrio when u are made and just hold down ur own area don't try expanding state wide or wutever like 18 or ms.. see i'm frm casa blanca we hold down our varrio we don't try expanding into other areas cuz this is our varrio and it always has been and theres no point in expanding out cuz barrios/gangs weren't made for that reason they were made to protect homies from a certain area u get wut i'm saying?
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Post  geyez on Fri May 06, 2011 4:43 pm

[quote="EVANS STR. GANG"][quote="geyez"][quote="W3st909"]yea thats true theres no tellin how deep they are ontario is a big ass city[/quote]

there big for nothing they dont even expand out their city[/quote]

i personally don't see wut the point of expanding into other areas is, i see alot of "varrios" trying to do that.. this isn't the old times like when europe was trying to expand into other areas all over the world.. i see it as: u have a varrio when u are made and just hold down ur own area don't try expanding state wide or wutever like 18 or ms.. see i'm frm casa blanca we hold down our varrio we don't try expanding into other areas cuz this is our varrio and it always has been and theres no point in expanding out cuz barrios/gangs weren't made for that reason they were made to protect homies from a certain area u get wut i'm saying?[/quote]

yea.different homies got different views,but i respect that.but like u its not like the old times its the new times.from what i've seen the ie,sgv,sd just hold their varrio/hood down and keep their ground.most of the l.a. varrios/hoods expand to different areas of cali just to get their name out their or expand to closer spots like sd or ie so they can recurit more.when its comes down to it,its mainly about money now days.of course have respect and love for ur hood but it is what it is.well atleast in my eyes.

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Post  P_LOKO on Sat May 07, 2011 12:29 am

To me, it seems like the farer gangs spread out from the main area, the more credibility they lose. Shit, we got Cali gangs in Wisconsin and New Hamshire now. Keep the trucha.
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Post  Guest on Sat May 07, 2011 5:47 am

The same go's for black gangs in Los Angeles. If you have an enterprize or whatever and want to expand it, you go to different regions. So of course, drugs and money are the only reasons a gang would do this. 18 and MS are a household name, literally. They have created a brand for themselves with a HUGE push from media. And really, I don't care what turf you're from there are members of that turf that travel state lines all the time and set up shop. The only reason -in my oppinion- there are los gangs in other states and around the world is because Los Angeles gang culture at one time was so glorified. If Colors would of been based in IE then you'd have DHB's and PJ's all over the world.

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Post  EVANS STR. GANG on Sat May 07, 2011 6:44 pm

geyez wrote:
EVANS STR. GANG wrote:
geyez wrote:
W3st909 wrote:yea thats true theres no tellin how deep they are ontario is a big ass city

there big for nothing they dont even expand out their city

i personally don't see wut the point of expanding into other areas is, i see alot of "varrios" trying to do that.. this isn't the old times like when europe was trying to expand into other areas all over the world.. i see it as: u have a varrio when u are made and just hold down ur own area don't try expanding state wide or wutever like 18 or ms.. see i'm frm casa blanca we hold down our varrio we don't try expanding into other areas cuz this is our varrio and it always has been and theres no point in expanding out cuz barrios/gangs weren't made for that reason they were made to protect homies from a certain area u get wut i'm saying?

yea.different homies got different views,but i respect that.but like u its not like the old times its the new times.from what i've seen the ie,sgv,sd just hold their varrio/hood down and keep their ground.most of the l.a. varrios/hoods expand to different areas of cali just to get their name out their or expand to closer spots like sd or ie so they can recurit more.when its comes down to it,its mainly about money now days.of course have respect and love for ur hood but it is what it is.well atleast in my eyes.

yeah from what i see sgv and IE hold down their own neighborhoods and we tend to be more traditional opposed to wut the new times are doing or wut the thing to do is u know that way u maintain ur respect and your pride in the varrio cuz if ur frm a hood thats expanded everywhere to the point u dont even know who other members are or where else they are what's the pride in that? thats why alot of neighborhoods have lost respect these kids are fucking everything up there's very few that can say 'hey i'm doing something for my varrio' all it is now is me me me these kids wanna get recognized for their own they wanna put their name out there rather than keep a good name for their varrio and they think that being skanless is being down when in reality having respect and being down for ur shit will give u a better kind of respect but like u said it is wut it is this is new times now
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Post  geyez on Sat May 07, 2011 8:02 pm

[quote="EVANS STR. GANG"][quote="geyez"][quote="EVANS STR. GANG"][quote="geyez"][quote="W3st909"]yea thats true theres no tellin how deep they are ontario is a big ass city[/quote]

there big for nothing they dont even expand out their city[/quote]

i personally don't see wut the point of expanding into other areas is, i see alot of "varrios" trying to do that.. this isn't the old times like when europe was trying to expand into other areas all over the world.. i see it as: u have a varrio when u are made and just hold down ur own area don't try expanding state wide or wutever like 18 or ms.. see i'm frm casa blanca we hold down our varrio we don't try expanding into other areas cuz this is our varrio and it always has been and theres no point in expanding out cuz barrios/gangs weren't made for that reason they were made to protect homies from a certain area u get wut i'm saying?[/quote]

yea.different homies got different views,but i respect that.but like u its not like the old times its the new times.from what i've seen the ie,sgv,sd just hold their varrio/hood down and keep their ground.most of the l.a. varrios/hoods expand to different areas of cali just to get their name out their or expand to closer spots like sd or ie so they can recurit more.when its comes down to it,its mainly about money now days.of course have respect and love for ur hood but it is what it is.well atleast in my eyes.[/quote]

yeah from what i see sgv and IE hold down their own neighborhoods and we tend to be more traditional opposed to wut the new times are doing or wut the thing to do is u know that way u maintain ur respect and your pride in the varrio cuz if ur frm a hood thats expanded everywhere to the point u dont even know who other members are or where else they are what's the pride in that? thats why alot of neighborhoods have lost respect these kids are fucking everything up there's very few that can say 'hey i'm doing something for my varrio' all it is now is me me me these kids wanna get recognized for their own they wanna put their name out there rather than keep a good name for their varrio and they think that being skanless is being down when in reality having respect and being down for ur shit will give u a better kind of respect but like u said it is wut it is this is new times now[/quote]

i know for a fact not all the foos from south onterio or south fontana or pomona 12th or even monte flores all know each other there to big.alot of younger kats got the game fucked up.showing respect to anyone including ur enemies will give u way more respect back.u cant be fighting 24/7 shits wastful but other than that it is what it is

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Post  W3st909 on Tue May 10, 2011 1:54 pm

yo thats sum gud shit but geyez i got a question for you your from casa blanca and from wat i seen on the maps theres a casa blanca crips so do yall get along with them? wats the info on that?

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Post  EVANS STR. GANG on Thu May 12, 2011 4:22 am

W3st909 wrote:yo thats sum gud shit but geyez i got a question for you your from casa blanca and from wat i seen on the maps theres a casa blanca crips so do yall get along with them? wats the info on that?

geyez aint from casa i am homie.. yeah theres CB Gangster Crips and to be honest we were cool with them for a long time up until homeboy Storm from CBGC got killed, we know why it happened thats shit i wont disclose but the thing is the younger CBGC's took it too personal and i dont blame them but they were thinking it's on a gang or racial tip but we aint on that shit so when they came back and shot my boy a while after they made it to a gang thing and so there is tension between us n them so right now theres small beef they say they dont want none when we catch em slippin.. before this happened we were coo, they stay on their side so it was firme if anything there were small beefs here n there just personal nothing too big but it would get handled between whoever it was but now it ain't the same anymore
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Post  EVANS STR. GANG on Thu May 12, 2011 4:27 am

geyez wrote:
EVANS STR. GANG wrote:
geyez wrote:
EVANS STR. GANG wrote:
geyez wrote:
W3st909 wrote:yea thats true theres no tellin how deep they are ontario is a big ass city

there big for nothing they dont even expand out their city

i personally don't see wut the point of expanding into other areas is, i see alot of "varrios" trying to do that.. this isn't the old times like when europe was trying to expand into other areas all over the world.. i see it as: u have a varrio when u are made and just hold down ur own area don't try expanding state wide or wutever like 18 or ms.. see i'm frm casa blanca we hold down our varrio we don't try expanding into other areas cuz this is our varrio and it always has been and theres no point in expanding out cuz barrios/gangs weren't made for that reason they were made to protect homies from a certain area u get wut i'm saying?

yea.different homies got different views,but i respect that.but like u its not like the old times its the new times.from what i've seen the ie,sgv,sd just hold their varrio/hood down and keep their ground.most of the l.a. varrios/hoods expand to different areas of cali just to get their name out their or expand to closer spots like sd or ie so they can recurit more.when its comes down to it,its mainly about money now days.of course have respect and love for ur hood but it is what it is.well atleast in my eyes.

yeah from what i see sgv and IE hold down their own neighborhoods and we tend to be more traditional opposed to wut the new times are doing or wut the thing to do is u know that way u maintain ur respect and your pride in the varrio cuz if ur frm a hood thats expanded everywhere to the point u dont even know who other members are or where else they are what's the pride in that? thats why alot of neighborhoods have lost respect these kids are fucking everything up there's very few that can say 'hey i'm doing something for my varrio' all it is now is me me me these kids wanna get recognized for their own they wanna put their name out there rather than keep a good name for their varrio and they think that being skanless is being down when in reality having respect and being down for ur shit will give u a better kind of respect but like u said it is wut it is this is new times now

i know for a fact not all the foos from south onterio or south fontana or pomona 12th or even monte flores all know each other there to big.alot of younger kats got the game fucked up.showing respect to anyone including ur enemies will give u way more respect back.u cant be fighting 24/7 shits wastful but other than that it is what it is

yeah those varrios are too big especially those such as flores and 12 who expand citywide and south fonta with all their different clickas it's hard to know everyone.. i'm not saying everyone knows every single person in my varrio but i can say for the most part everyone knows everyone unless u been locked up toooo damn long the youngsters aint gunna know u, u know but here thats why we keep it family if u come around kickin it tough and we dont know u we're gunna ask u 'ey whose ur pops mom or whose ur grandpa' u know if u aint from around here ur not gunna get too much love if ur gunna be kickin it with the homies
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Post  W3st909 on Thu May 12, 2011 6:50 pm

EVANS STR. GANG wrote:
W3st909 wrote:yo thats sum gud shit but geyez i got a question for you your from casa blanca and from wat i seen on the maps theres a casa blanca crips so do yall get along with them? wats the info on that?

geyez aint from casa i am homie.. yeah theres CB Gangster Crips and to be honest we were cool with them for a long time up until homeboy Storm from CBGC got killed, we know why it happened thats shit i wont disclose but the thing is the younger CBGC's took it too personal and i dont blame them but they were thinking it's on a gang or racial tip but we aint on that shit so when they came back and shot my boy a while after they made it to a gang thing and so there is tension between us n them so right now theres small beef they say they dont want none when we catch em slippin.. before this happened we were coo, they stay on their side so it was firme if anything there were small beefs here n there just personal nothing too big but it would get handled between whoever it was but now it ain't the same anymore


yea thats my bad I had to reread it lol but gud info I always wanted to know wat was up with the CB's. That sux for the beef sounds like its a waste of time to be beefing over a misunderstanding but theres no real logical thinkin wen it comes to street shit so who are you main allies/enemies?

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Post  EVANS STR. GANG on Fri May 13, 2011 7:12 am

W3st909 wrote:
EVANS STR. GANG wrote:
W3st909 wrote:yo thats sum gud shit but geyez i got a question for you your from casa blanca and from wat i seen on the maps theres a casa blanca crips so do yall get along with them? wats the info on that?

geyez aint from casa i am homie.. yeah theres CB Gangster Crips and to be honest we were cool with them for a long time up until homeboy Storm from CBGC got killed, we know why it happened thats shit i wont disclose but the thing is the younger CBGC's took it too personal and i dont blame them but they were thinking it's on a gang or racial tip but we aint on that shit so when they came back and shot my boy a while after they made it to a gang thing and so there is tension between us n them so right now theres small beef they say they dont want none when we catch em slippin.. before this happened we were coo, they stay on their side so it was firme if anything there were small beefs here n there just personal nothing too big but it would get handled between whoever it was but now it ain't the same anymore


yea thats my bad I had to reread it lol but gud info I always wanted to know wat was up with the CB's. That sux for the beef sounds like its a waste of time to be beefing over a misunderstanding but theres no real logical thinkin wen it comes to street shit so who are you main allies/enemies?

yeah true but if they arent gunna get it right from the start and wanna trip then we're gunna take it to em u know we're the last to back off this is our varrio not theirs for them they should consider it a privilege to be in our varrio cuz we could take em out just that easy if we really wanted to... we don't have allies really.. but we(Evans St) pretty much beef with Fern St, Hillside Dukes, and 1200 ECC.. we dont really consider MGF a legit enemy cuz we dont care for em but when we do catch em it's on n crackin, small beef with Arlanza and La Sierra, ESR is an old beef same with WSR but see with the ES it's different theres alot of ES vatos married to CB women and other way around but there's alot of respect between us there are times where we throw a few blows but nothing serious anymore unless something big were to pop off
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Post  P_LOKO on Fri May 13, 2011 1:26 pm

Yo Evans, do you think the beef between Evans and Fern will cool down or come to a stop?
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P_LOKO wrote:Yo Evans, do you think the beef between Evans and Fern will cool down or come to a stop?

to be honest homie i don't think it will there's been too many deaths and too much bloodshed for us to just let it go like that u feel me? and if we were to stop jst for the sake of the neighborhood whoever is to cease fire will just be looked at as just weak out there.. whether it cools down or not it ain't gunna stop, theres times where it kinda calms down if there ain't nothing going on we start thinking it's like the calm before the storm u know? like something is bound to happen.. older homies n parents will start trippin n getting worried if there ain't nothing going on because thats something waiting to happen u know
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Post  3l3m3ntal on Sat May 14, 2011 9:25 am

EVANS STR. GANG wrote:
W3st909 wrote:yo thats sum gud shit but geyez i got a question for you your from casa blanca and from wat i seen on the maps theres a casa blanca crips so do yall get along with them? wats the info on that?

geyez aint from casa i am homie.. yeah theres CB Gangster Crips and to be honest we were cool with them for a long time up until homeboy Storm from CBGC got killed, we know why it happened thats shit i wont disclose but the thing is the younger CBGC's took it too personal and i dont blame them but they were thinking it's on a gang or racial tip but we aint on that shit so when they came back and shot my boy a while after they made it to a gang thing and so there is tension between us n them so right now theres small beef they say they dont want none when we catch em slippin.. before this happened we were coo, they stay on their side so it was firme if anything there were small beefs here n there just personal nothing too big but it would get handled between whoever it was but now it ain't the same anymore

This is a very recent development? I vaguely recall P_Loko or someone mentioning a young Crip I believe a CB Gangster Crip long whiles back that flew his colors in CB? Not sure.
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P_LOKO wrote:To me, it seems like the farer gangs spread out from the main area, the more credibility they lose. Shit, we got Cali gangs in Wisconsin and New Hamshire now. Keep the trucha.

There's surenos in Chicago, not sure if they are emigrants from SoCal or not, but turf like NY and Chicago are gangland too. A long history of their thing. Like playing visitor in a English rugby game.
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Post  EVANS STR. GANG on Sat May 14, 2011 8:28 pm

3l3m3ntal wrote:
EVANS STR. GANG wrote:
W3st909 wrote:yo thats sum gud shit but geyez i got a question for you your from casa blanca and from wat i seen on the maps theres a casa blanca crips so do yall get along with them? wats the info on that?

geyez aint from casa i am homie.. yeah theres CB Gangster Crips and to be honest we were cool with them for a long time up until homeboy Storm from CBGC got killed, we know why it happened thats shit i wont disclose but the thing is the younger CBGC's took it too personal and i dont blame them but they were thinking it's on a gang or racial tip but we aint on that shit so when they came back and shot my boy a while after they made it to a gang thing and so there is tension between us n them so right now theres small beef they say they dont want none when we catch em slippin.. before this happened we were coo, they stay on their side so it was firme if anything there were small beefs here n there just personal nothing too big but it would get handled between whoever it was but now it ain't the same anymore

This is a very recent development? I vaguely recall P_Loko or someone mentioning a young Crip I believe a CB Gangster Crip long whiles back that flew his colors in CB? Not sure.

well they are allowed to do their thing out there u know we don't stop them this was as recent as 2010 homie this is a new thing going on
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Post  P_LOKO on Sun May 15, 2011 1:54 am

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P_LOKO wrote:Yo Evans, do you think the beef between Evans and Fern will cool down or come to a stop?

to be honest homie i don't think it will there's been too many deaths and too much bloodshed for us to just let it go like that u feel me? and if we were to stop jst for the sake of the neighborhood whoever is to cease fire will just be looked at as just weak out there.. whether it cools down or not it ain't gunna stop, theres times where it kinda calms down if there ain't nothing going on we start thinking it's like the calm before the storm u know? like something is bound to happen.. older homies n parents will start trippin n getting worried if there ain't nothing going on because thats something waiting to happen u know

I see exactly what you mean about how some thing's are just hard to let go, like homies who have passed. I know I hold a mean grudge because my closest homeboy is gone, and no matter how much get back there is, there's still no real satisfaction, just temporary. Could go home with a smile, but days, weeks, months, years laters, the feeling is back to the same. Things like that stays engraved in the brain and memories of it resurface just about everyday, and throughout the day. At least for me it does. But I understand whatcha mean about how folks in the neighborhood might get worried if absolutely nothing has been going on, since it's out of the ordinary and could be a sign that something fishy is going on.
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Post  EVANS STR. GANG on Sun May 15, 2011 4:45 am

P_LOKO wrote:
EVANS STR. GANG wrote:
P_LOKO wrote:Yo Evans, do you think the beef between Evans and Fern will cool down or come to a stop?

to be honest homie i don't think it will there's been too many deaths and too much bloodshed for us to just let it go like that u feel me? and if we were to stop jst for the sake of the neighborhood whoever is to cease fire will just be looked at as just weak out there.. whether it cools down or not it ain't gunna stop, theres times where it kinda calms down if there ain't nothing going on we start thinking it's like the calm before the storm u know? like something is bound to happen.. older homies n parents will start trippin n getting worried if there ain't nothing going on because thats something waiting to happen u know

I see exactly what you mean about how some thing's are just hard to let go, like homies who have passed. I know I hold a mean grudge because my closest homeboy is gone, and no matter how much get back there is, there's still no real satisfaction, just temporary. Could go home with a smile, but days, weeks, months, years laters, the feeling is back to the same. Things like that stays engraved in the brain and memories of it resurface just about everyday, and throughout the day. At least for me it does. But I understand whatcha mean about how folks in the neighborhood might get worried if absolutely nothing has been going on, since it's out of the ordinary and could be a sign that something fishy is going on.

yeah see homie you understand wut im saying.. alot of people don't understan shit worth of what goes on in my varrio or why and start saying oh u guys are fighting for streets that aint urs or this or that woopty wooo but in reality this is how it is we just cant get over something like losing a close friend or relative.. see i've lost alot of family and friends to this shit and yeah we might be all happy or feeling good when we get that revenge but when it really comes down to it your still hurting over the loss like u said that get back satisfaction is only temporary.. yeah if there ain't nuthin going on they know it's just time being taken out to actually plan something out and when it pops theres gunna be bodies dropping and it's sad to say but hey this is casa blanca shit happens
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Post  3l3m3ntal on Mon May 16, 2011 11:04 pm

This gives the impression that can never completely burying one's losses, that schism will always remain there, it ebbs but will come boiling back to the surface.

I find Casa Blanca abit of an enigma, the two traditional gangs are divided by a single moderately busy street and the beef is a family feud like the Hatfields and McCoys that identifies the division in some hoods. Family connections.
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Post  MISSUNDERSTOOD909 on Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:15 am

WE DONT EXPAND BECAUSE WE JUST DONT LET ANYONE IN!!!!!!! ONTA HAS A REP IT DNT MATTER HOW BIG OR LIL A VARRIO CAN BE WHAT MATTERS IS ARE THEY KNOWEN? AND IS THERE REP GOOD OR BAD? AND AS MOST HOODS KNOW WHEATER FROM LA SGV SD..SHIT THEY KKNOW WHATS UP WITH THAT O TOWN.. IVE ALWAYS GOTEN WRD FROM DIFFERENT HOODS THAT WE SOME CRZY SOLID MOTHER FUKERS.. AND MAIN REASON NOT TO EXPAND IS FOR WHAT ?? WE BASED OUT OF ONTARIO AS ONE CITY.. SO THERE WULD B NO REASON TO RECRUITE FROM ANOTHER AREA.. WHO HAS NEVER LIVED OR FROM ONTA PERIOD.. THERE HISTORY AND ROOTS BHINDE THE O
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Post  Brettgiannos on Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:00 pm

Yo misunderstood do you know anything about HA they chill on Indian hill and San Bernardino in pomona?

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