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Post  wolfman on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:13 pm

StereoTypical Sureno X3 wrote:
wolfman wrote:yeah well you know i havent been hitting much of anything lately., i kinda dropped off the scene altogether., but i got a couple of firme logan homeboy compas that i'll hit up and ask about it., but i don't know how much history they know., i know one of them is og LH13Locos who was breaking down the 13Ls and LHClika history for me, so he's younger than me., the other vato i don't see him that often, but i'll dig up what i can when i can.

Your Forum Used To Have Alot Of Dudes Postin Shit What happened To them?? They Just Ran Off Huh Lol.!! I used To actually Read Some Of That History shit On SD Varrios.!! i Actually Met A couple Dudes From Younger Varrios Like West gang Nd Diablos dem Dudes Seemed Stuck In The 90s still Talking all Calo Nd Shit... They More Traditional Out There probably.

stuck in the 90s? calo and shit? what would you know about calo? would you understand me if i used clachate, instead of wachate? or are you all too far gone in a new wave of thought., one without old culture in it? calo would be part of that old culture., but if your talk is now hooked up with hip culture and prison talk, and it now plays-on-words of the english version of everyday communication instead of our own old, then yeah, i can see where some language may seem antiquated and old for you to use., nevertheless, the huge contributions it has done to your team mates and to your own career, is, undeniable., and what that old calo has done to shape your attitude on life, is, clearly not given due credit, because, you clown on it., or so it reads as if you do.. what all those people that have come and gone at the Kings'Dome have done, is simply "contributing"., why they have left and gone, well, to each it's own., that's their business., i don't know., but it was good when it was all happening, and it was happening at the time., too bad., i sure would of like to have kept it going., maybe it can still be kept alive, if people would just be cool and spill their thoughts on things, instead of getting to high on themselves., tu sabes
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Post  Drunky McThuggerton on Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:13 am

wolfman wrote:
StereoTypical Sureno X3 wrote:
wolfman wrote:yeah well you know i havent been hitting much of anything lately., i kinda dropped off the scene altogether., but i got a couple of firme logan homeboy compas that i'll hit up and ask about it., but i don't know how much history they know., i know one of them is og LH13Locos who was breaking down the 13Ls and LHClika history for me, so he's younger than me., the other vato i don't see him that often, but i'll dig up what i can when i can.

Your Forum Used To Have Alot Of Dudes Postin Shit What happened To them?? They Just Ran Off Huh Lol.!! I used To actually Read Some Of That History shit On SD Varrios.!! i Actually Met A couple Dudes From Younger Varrios Like West gang Nd Diablos dem Dudes Seemed Stuck In The 90s still Talking all Calo Nd Shit... They More Traditional Out There probably.

stuck in the 90s? calo and shit? what would you know about calo? would you understand me if i used clachate, instead of wachate? or are you all too far gone in a new wave of thought., one without old culture in it? calo would be part of that old culture., but if your talk is now hooked up with hip culture and prison talk, and it now plays-on-words of the english version of everyday communication instead of our own old, then yeah, i can see where some language may seem antiquated and old for you to use., nevertheless, the huge contributions it has done to your team mates and to your own career, is, undeniable., and what that old calo has done to shape your attitude on life, is, clearly not given due credit, because, you clown on it., or so it reads as if you do.. what all those people that have come and gone at the Kings'Dome have done, is simply "contributing"., why they have left and gone, well, to each it's own., that's their business., i don't know., but it was good when it was all happening, and it was happening at the time., too bad., i sure would of like to have kept it going., maybe it can still be kept alive, if people would just be cool and spill their thoughts on things, instead of getting to high on themselves., tu sabes
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Post  wolfman on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:35 pm

SOUTH BAY / SOUTH SIDE SAN DIEGO
SOxBAY, the “SOUTH SIDE” of SAN DIEGO;
Rich in the tradition of the Varrios..

With old neighborhoods and antiguo Raza that cliqued up and set up their Varrios long ago.

Varrios which are now on the list amongst the very olden ones of all thee "1902" Condado.

Varrios even as old as those from other Sides of the County;
Like those from
BARRIO LOGAN,
BARRIO SHERMAN,
LA COLONIA EDEN GARDENS
or ENSENITAS TORTILLA FLATS

All of these same Olden SOUTHxBAY Varrios..

Like
SIDRO
DEL SOL
IMPERIAL
OTAY
PALMAS
NESTOR
OTNC
VCV

~> Survive going strong..
even onto this present age

How and when did it all start out down here?
It is hard to say.
It's all been around for a long ass time.
Part of it you can tell by the plenty numeros of oldie vatos still kicking it in these parts of the Old Land!..

The attitude i dare say,
has been here
from as far back as there’s been raza staking claim to a piece of ground in the Southwest
The Southwest called ~> AZTLAN..
and that goes back, way back..
way way back in time.

From old beginner times, these local grounds have been a cross-road between the two Republics of European-White-America and European-Mestizo-Mexico.
Both cultures threw some in there and spiced up the soul, helping out to lift up the heads of the local vatos.
High on pride and commitment to family, they carried themselves and went about their days laboring in the fields, working in the packing plants, working in construction projects, or on the docks.
After work they would always find some time to socialize, drinking some brews, puffing on frajos, on the strings and cords with their liras serenading the ladies with their romantics, or singing their sadness to the night.
A sad but happy hard life they lived, their days and nights were always filled with laughter, but filled with tears as well.
Their sad souls, their rough faces, their strong defiant and valiant attitude towards hardship, their commitment to one another, it all was watched and learned from, it all was deposited on the hearts and minds of the next generation who witnessed them, and the next generation tried to duplicate it all, in their own version, during their own growing up times.

Dirt streets criss-crossed the neighborhoods, a clear sign to outsiders that they'd entered the poor side of the town.
That’s what they were originally, isolated little villages on the outskirts of the society-in-charge of business and politics.
Poor little enclaves called Barrios and Colonias, soon to be marked for destruction by city planners and the wheels of time.
Nevertheless, the Low-Down Raza from the Poor-Sides grew ever stronger in the Califas style that sparked up the humble rebel-in-them.
They got into car clubs, picked up motorcycles, dressed down and hit the dancehalls.
They blazed up and hanged out with the crowd, kicking it at the corner, at the park or at the pool hall.
The times kept bringing on fast changes to the Barrios.
The music sounds, the fashion trends, the city landscape, the population mix., everything and all; the tic tocs of creeping time moving them fast-forward into the future, not giving much chance for the younger generations to fully grasp things from the old side of the fence, and so they adopted what they could, and disguised the new..
Raza Loca de Califas they became, first Pachucos, then Cholos, and now Brown Pride Gangsters!

American Gangsterism captivated and seduced the Vatos Locos, one generation after another.
Just like the rest from all over the Brown Nation of Aztlan, they carried inside their veins the fiery blood of a warrior past, and so they created their modern tribes, their modern neighborhood clans.
Their attitude remained the same ole one, that of a Mexican trapped inside America.
Mexico forgot about them, and America denied them.
Not from here, nor from there, they found themselves as from neither one;
And so they went about in creating their own little countries in the form of Varrios..
They gave their allegiance, and devoted themselves to one another, backing each other against any and all enemies.
As time went by, little by little, they built up their own sub-culture.
They transformed their dress code to conform to the flamboyant look;
They re-invented the English and Spanish language and applied a slang version to their everyday talk.
El Vato Loco drapped himself with the gangster image of the American Roaring 20s and 30s, but a-la-Mexican version.
Rebels of society who strolled around, and rolled around, defining their space, marking their territory, establishing their borders.
Going places, they’d run into hassles.
Rumbles and throwing down with others from around near-by became the thing.
Soon, street warfare between Brown Raza replaced fighting for racial space, and soon enough, the Varrios became fully focused on each other.
Their rivalries rose to a level of hatred and violence for which there is no end in sight.
The toe to toe, the fists and kicks gave way to knives and chains;
Knives and chains in turn gave rise to guns and rifles;
And now automatics and high-power calibers reign supreme.
What was once about your street, your friends, your space in this great little big world, became ever more encroached upon by new streets and new faces, faces with new ideas and aspirations for life.

The old nostalgia is becoming but a faded memory, seldom remembered in the concrete jungle rat-race.
Thee rat-race virus, unstoppable in its invasion and corruption of a vato's soul!

The SOxBAY first crazy vatos are lost to recorded history.
Few records exist other than a few newspaper articles pertaining to “criminal” activity.
The rest comes from a few old heads that can tell you the tales from the hood in small talk personal conversation.
But it is said that amongst the first to organize into what later gave rise to the Varrios of today, are said to be those like THEE IMPERIALS from Imperial Beach, the VULTURES from San Ysidro, and the ANCHOR BOYS from National City.
A later generation like the COACHMEN from Sidro, and the YATOS from Otay are credited to be from the actual generation that cliqued up and formed the Varrios as we know them today..

IMP13, IMPERIAL
SYR, SIDRO
O13, OTAY
OTNC, VIEJO
VLPR, PALMAS
VCV, CHULA VISTA
DSR, DEL SOL
and NST, NESTOR

are listed as the oldest of the SOxBAY.

These SOxBAY Varrios like others from other parts of the County and State, were able to maintain themselves old-school and traditional;
Each one was able to keep their locals united, and each new Varrio clique gave their first allegiance to the Varrio, the clique came second!

The SOxBAY varrios were able to keep it together like that for several decades, all the way up to the late 1970s.
But by then, several factors had begun to take a toll on their little nations.
The freeway system was built over Barrio lands, destroying whole sections of the neighborhoods, creating physical barriers and divisions between their communities.
Palm City, Chula Vista, National City, Nestor and San Ysidro were the hardest hit by the criss-crossing freeway system.
New housing developments and commercial business complexes arose here and there and everywhere.
The population growth brought tons of new faces and skin shades, and different attitudes to the sacred grounds.
The later trolley line further added a boundary for some.

Whereas before all the locals from each Varrio started out in the same Elementary school and Junior High;
Now, there were many different schools in each town.
The nostalgia of the Old Times had passed and the new sounds, the new garb, the new rides, new trends, new this, new that and new everything propagated by the media and Hollywood in full partnership with business entrepreneurs, had propelled the younger minds into a wide diversity of styles.
The 1980s killed the old and propelled the Varrios into a new era, an era with few rules and deviant attitudes.
Too many vatos going in all different directions, and too many vatos coming in from other places making the SOxBAY their stomping grounds.
Vatos from other SD areas, vatos from LOS, vatos from Tijuas and Mexico, vatos from all over have come down over the years and added their differences to the mix.

The Varrios remain still as one, but the Barrios themselves are far from that.

Law enforcement took its toll on the Varrios as well.
An abundance of resources were put into play..
Once an area was targeted for “clean up” ..
so many Homies began to get locked up for long ass years at a time;
Thus leaving less and less solid vatos on the streets to demonstrate some ole school clecha and recruit.

The effects of so many changes became something of a free-for-all for vatos to go about it any which way that suited them best.
Rockers, Party Crews, Taggers, Stoners, Rock-A-Billy’s and others pulled people away from the Varrios;
And the once huge numbers a Varrio pulled, dropped down big time.
The many new crews that sprung up bordering on the old streets..
in time also gave rise to their own new Treces.

And..

After all is said and done, suffice to say that even with all that heavy chet that has come down on these old grounds..

~> the Old Varrios continue to come out strong..
Defying it all:

Including time itself!

Can’t no one claim that the SOxBAY / SOxSIDE can’t hang with the best..
Because they are from The Best!

From an OLD GUARD of BARRIOS that transcends the decades!

DEDICATED TO THEE OLD SOxBAY VARRIOS . . .

PUT THEM UP


TODO CYCO!
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Post  XVXX on Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:21 pm

wolfman wrote:Hood or Gang?

the "barrio" was not known as OT early on., the barrio started getting attracting mexicans since the 1910s, and it was jamming by the 1940s, but it wasn't until the 1950s that the "gang" OTNC came out.
WESS UP WOLF. It's BANDIT. 

Yeah your pretty much right on. I have them documented as OTNC Publically since 1949, but you kknow the newspaper is on the late train.

There were gangs in OTNC since before 1941. I read an article of a counselor working at CASA DE SALUD in 1941 stating there were gangs in her early arrival. It was white gang vs mexican gang.

Casa De Salud was located in the heart of OTNC .

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Post  XVXX on Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:23 pm

AFTER DOING SOME EXTENSIVE RESEARCH I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT MY HOOD OTNC IS THE OLDEST GANG IN SD COUNTY.

ALL THE UNCONFIRMED ACCOUNTS OF OTAY, SAN YSIDRO, AND POSOLE BEING FROM THE 20'S AND 30'S HAS YET TO BE PROVEN. WE CAN'T TAKE HE/SHE SAY OR MY GRANDMA SAID... STORIES.

PLUS, AREAS WERE HARDLY DEVELOPED AND MOST MEXICAN FAMILIES LIVED NEAR RAILROADS AND PLACE THEY CAN DO FARM WORK.

NC IS AN OLD CITY AND SO IS THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO. IN THE EARLY MID 30'S THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO ANNOUCES A YOUTH DELIQUENCY PROBLEM. 1941 IS THE FIRST WRITTEN CONFIRMED FACT THAT MEXICAN GANGS EXISTED IN NC. THE TONE OF THE WRITTEN FACT MAKES YOU BELIEVE THEY EXISTED BEFORE 1941 BY PROBABLY 3-5 YEARS. 

THEN IN 1950 SD RECOGNIZES A GANG PROBLEM AND THERE WAS ONLY 3 GANGS RECOGNIZED. WHICH MAKE SENSE IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SD AND HISTORY.

TIMELINE:
1929: CITY OF NC AND NC WELFARE OPEN CASA DE SALUD HEALTH CLINIC (LOCATED IN OTNC)

1937: CASA DE SALUD EXPANDS AND OPEN YOUTH FACILITY CATERING TO OVER 250 MEXICAN YOUTHS. ALSO, THEY WERE TEACHING CLASSES ON AMERICANIZING IN PRIOR YEARS.

1939: CITY OF SD ANNOUCE YOUTH DELIQUENCY (MOSTLY CATERING TO WHITE KIDS) PROBLEM AND HAVING ALTERNATIVE CLUBS LIKE BOYSCOUTS, YMCA, AND CASA DE SALUD FOR MEXICANS.

1941: NEW YOUTH DIRECTOR AT CASA DE SALUD RECOGNIZES GANGS FIGHTS AMONGST MEXICAN KIDS AND WHITES

1944: FIRST GANG FIGHT BETWEEN LOGAN (TOLTEC CLUB FROM 3100 ISLAND AVE) AND OTNC OVER NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND A DANCE.

1949: MAJOR GANG FIGHT BETWEEN LOGAN AND OTNC OVER HOUSE PARTY IN LOGAN. LEAVES ONE BOY FROM LH SERIOUSLY INJURED.

1950: SD RECOGNIZES 3 GANGS OTNC, LOGAN, AND OTSD. A SO CALLED 3 WAY WAR. LOGAN HAS HUGE FIGHTS WITH OTSD OVER A FRIEND BEING JUMPED IN OTSD.

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Post  wolfman on Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:52 am

^ ^ orale, hey man, i spent some time gathering up info on the start of the OTNC barrio, and i got some notes and shit that i got to go and dig up, but basically i traced it back to the original block of housing., i'll get that for you later (otro dia)., yeah, but that's a trip on OTSD <~ that's that small varrio over there by mission hills, que no? I had heard of them being around back in the days, but man i never thought that they went back that far.. good spill tho'
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Post  XVXX on Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:04 pm

wolfman wrote:^ ^ orale, hey man, i spent some time gathering up info on the start of the OTNC barrio, and i got some notes and shit that i got to go and dig up, but basically i traced it back to the original block of housing., i'll get that for you later (otro dia)., yeah, but that's a trip on OTSD <~ that's that small varrio over there by mission hills, que no? I had heard of them being around back in the days, but man i never thought that they went back that far.. good spill tho'
IT TRIP ME OUT I HAVE THE ARTICLES. DO YOU KNOW HOW TO UPLOAD PDFS?? 

OTSD WENT FROM MISSION HILLS ALL THE WAY TO THE OLD TOWN TROLLEY STOP AROUND MORENA BLVD NEXT TO THE 5. NOW I SEE WHY THEM AND LINDA VISTA DOESN'T GET ALONG. 

BUT BOTH OLD TOWNS WERE MORE IN TOUCH WITH THERE SPANISH ROOTS WHILE LOGAN WAS IN TO THE AZTEC/MEXICAN HERITAGE. SO, I GUESS LOGAN WAS SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE TWO AND WOULD BEEF WITH BOTH. THE CRAZY THING IS THERE IS NO GANG DELIQUENCY ISSUE IN OTAY, OCEANSIDE, OR SAN YSIDRO UNTIL THE LATE 50'S AND EARLY 60'S. 

MY ASSUMPTION IS EACH ACCOUNT SHOULD BE GIVEN AT LEAST A 3-5 YEAR GRACE PERIOD TO WHEN THEY ORIGINATED, BECAUSE THE MEDIA/NEWSPAPER WAS ON THE LATE TRAIN AND SDPD DIDN'T WANT TO CONFRONT THE GANG ISSUE. 

BUT 1950 WAS THE YEAR WHEN THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THE GANGS AND HAD A 3 SERIES SPECIAL AND ONLY OTSD, OTNC, AND LH WAS RECOGNIZED. ESD WAS MENTIONED, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE A WHITE GANG. IT STARTED AT THE H.S.

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Post  XVXX on Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:23 pm

LOBO,

I HAVE BEEEN ASKING ABOUT THE ANCHOR BOYS AND THERE IS NOBODY I KNOW CAN CONFIRM THEM OR EVEN HEARD OF THEM. I HAVE ROOTS TO A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN NC SINCE 1920 AND WORKED WITH GANGS IN THE 40'S-50'S AND NADA.

THERE'S OTNC (RESIDENT REUNION) IN OLD TOWN EVERY YEAR AND I WENT TO ONE A FEW YEARS BACK. THERE WAS ANOTHER CLICK CALLED THE MUTES/OTNC I GUESS THEY WERE AROUND WHEN CHERRY GANG WAS BANGING. 

I FOUND THAT INFO ON GOOGLE. OTHER SD CLICKS DURING 50'S AND 60'S

YATOS- OTAY

NIDO BOYS- ???

vALLEY BOYS- LH 33RD

ROYAL GENTS-SHELLTOWN

LOS HERMANOS- SHELLTOWN

MUTES- OTNC

BLACK ANGELS- LOGAN

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Post  TumbleWeed on Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:38 pm

How many Hispanic gangs are there in S.D. city?
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Post  American Zombie on Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:45 pm

^ someone should make a detailed list of all SD hoods for those of us unfamiliar to SD. I've been to SD several times but still never knew who's hood I was in unless it was Logan heights. Someone break it down and explain more less what part of town each hood is from and which ones are within the city and which ones are in the county but not city. I always get confused on that. My introduction to SD gangs was all through Chicano rap.
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Post  wolfman on Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:32 am

XVXX wrote:LOBO,

I HAVE BEEEN ASKING ABOUT THE ANCHOR BOYS AND THERE IS NOBODY I KNOW CAN CONFIRM THEM OR EVEN HEARD OF THEM. I HAVE ROOTS TO A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN NC SINCE 1920 AND WORKED WITH GANGS IN THE 40'S-50'S AND NADA.

THERE'S OTNC (RESIDENT REUNION) IN OLD TOWN EVERY YEAR AND I WENT TO ONE A FEW YEARS BACK. THERE WAS ANOTHER CLICK CALLED THE MUTES/OTNC I GUESS THEY WERE AROUND WHEN CHERRY GANG WAS BANGING. 

I FOUND THAT INFO ON GOOGLE. OTHER SD CLICKS DURING 50'S AND 60'S

YATOS- OTAY

NIDO BOYS- ???

vALLEY BOYS- LH 33RD

ROYAL GENTS-SHELLTOWN

LOS HERMANOS- SHELLTOWN

MUTES- OTNC

BLACK ANGELS- LOGAN
whats up BIG BANDIT, orale big dogg, pues tu sabes, that deal about the ANCHOR BOYS was told to me my this one crazy old party animal, the same vato who told me about the old Logan Heights clubs, and that LH has been confirmed by other posters.,  pero tu sabes, you know best, that's your varrio so i'll leave it alone., several other locos have told me the same thing you have, that there ain't never been no NC Anchor Boys, so i believe you., btw, that's some good ole research you been doing. I like it. Keep it coming dogg.
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Post  wolfman on Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:40 am

TumbleWeedBity wrote:How many Hispanic gangs are there in S.D. city?
SD city or county?

Still around or defunct included?

SOUTH BAY SAN DIEGO BONAFIDE GANGS

SAN YSIDRO (SIDRO)
IRIS AVENUE
DEL SOL
OTAY 13
IMPERIAL 13
NESTOR
VARRIO CHULA VISTA
WEST SIDE LOCOS
DIABLOS 13
PALM CITY (LAS PALMAS)
OLD TOWN NATIONAL CITY
ACRES BOYS (Lincoln Acres)
NC BLOCK BOYS
NC SOUTH SIDE MOB
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Post  XVXX on Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:54 pm

wolfman wrote:
XVXX wrote:LOBO,

I HAVE BEEEN ASKING ABOUT THE ANCHOR BOYS AND THERE IS NOBODY I KNOW CAN CONFIRM THEM OR EVEN HEARD OF THEM. I HAVE ROOTS TO A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN NC SINCE 1920 AND WORKED WITH GANGS IN THE 40'S-50'S AND NADA.

THERE'S OTNC (RESIDENT REUNION) IN OLD TOWN EVERY YEAR AND I WENT TO ONE A FEW YEARS BACK. THERE WAS ANOTHER CLICK CALLED THE MUTES/OTNC I GUESS THEY WERE AROUND WHEN CHERRY GANG WAS BANGING. 

I FOUND THAT INFO ON GOOGLE. OTHER SD CLICKS DURING 50'S AND 60'S

YATOS- OTAY

NIDO BOYS- ???

vALLEY BOYS- LH 33RD

ROYAL GENTS-SHELLTOWN

LOS HERMANOS- SHELLTOWN

MUTES- OTNC

BLACK ANGELS- LOGAN
whats up BIG BANDIT, orale big dogg, pues tu sabes, that deal about the ANCHOR BOYS was told to me my this one crazy old party animal, the same vato who told me about the old Logan Heights clubs, and that LH has been confirmed by other posters.,  pero tu sabes, you know best, that's your varrio so i'll leave it alone., several other locos have told me the same thing you have, that there ain't never been no NC Anchor Boys, so i believe you., btw, that's some good ole research you been doing. I like it. Keep it coming dogg.
Thanks homes. You been in SD longer then I've been alive plus I moved here as a kid in the 80's so you would know probably more than me. Don't discredit yourself, you been putting in a gang of work and your not always going to be a 100%.

I'm going to keep looking on anchor boys or anything. It's up for debate as far as when OTNC the gang was established. I have it in 1949 possibly 1944. NC gangs started at casa de salud which is in OTNC off Harding. So, I would consider any gang started there as OTNC especially a Mexican gang. Others could disagree, because it didn't have the name OTNC.

For example, FH is now consider Palm City aka LAS PALMAS gang. There a click of the old 1970's gang. Because they came up in the same area. Some will say its another under the banner of Las Palmas, because they started as taggers, but they evolved in the same hood??? It's hard to say. 

The problem I have is tracing back OTAY and Sidro. According to what I have nothing until 1965. I didn't really try. But, in the gang special by the union tribune in 1950 they don't mention them just OTSD, LOGAN, and OTNC. 

It seems as if Mexicans didn't even live over there or there was nothing over there no train. no work???

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Post  wolfman on Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:06 pm

OTNC info left on the BK

anonimo wrote:To Lone wolf,
I was reading your chronology for National City and was surprised to see my old kilka left off the list. we were the National City homeboys, HBOYS, HBS, Nacional. We encompassed the area from OTNC in the West all the way to Rachel Street east south to 33rd and north to division. We had members from OTNC, ESNC, LANOITAN SHADOWS and Barrio NACIONAL from the area around kimnall park. We hung out at Las Palmas also known as " ele pe" and Kimball park as well as ROCA PARK in chula vista. We did not allow anyone else to join the clika as we were doing it all dirty and didn't want the kids to get in on it and so they had to start thier own clikas which is where the (Enanos)EBS, (Acre boys)ABS, (Block Boys)BBS,(Olden Boys) OBS, and even shell town Gamma GBS got thier names.At the time there were some people from the bolen park dukes, vickeystown and 18th street that moved in and tried to start thier barrios in Nacional. We held a meeting around 1977 at Las Palmas and outlawed all other barrios unless they had the letters Ene Ce in them. I remember fighting this guy named cobra that was trying to lay it down for 18th street and after he lost to me, one on one, they were done .Nobody else stepped forward from any of the other clikas and We united the barrio under one clika HBOYS and held it together till a HBOY killed someone and then we all started to go to jail and realized the mess we created. By 1982 under intense police pressure and due to our own self destructive tendencies, all HBoys were in jail, strung out on dope or had moved away. It was immediately after that highland ave was shut down and NCPD get up the pressure to keep the biggest and best cruise spot to ever hit san diego closed. I always felt bad aboout that part of our pendejadas but ni modo we were pendejos and fucked it all up for everyone else. But one thing I can attest to is that whomever got the wrong end of the stick with us had it coming and only got it after much patience on our part. We understood highland was an open spot for all to cruise but to disrespect the barrio the homes and the people there was a no-no and was not tolerated by our generation and so that was how highland was shut down.Putasos,filerasos y cuetazos como se dio recibieron.


anonimo wrote:Homeboy talking about INSANE ALLEY knows whats up. The first generation of INSANOS from IBS named themselves after the alley that ran north/south west of E Street. The alley used to be called INSANE ALLEY because of all the drama that OTNC would cause there. The first generation called themselves INSANE BOYS after INSANE ALLEY.


anonimo wrote:and other clicks in the nc were rasta boys 80's, cyclone boys 80's, locker boys early 80's, highland locos not sure the year, south side mob, 24st apts, Lil balas / bullet click 2000, prospect st, pistols older click, lil antigos 90's early 2000's, mid town klicka 2013, ws nc late 90's and early 2000's, lil enano boys aka L Ebs late 90's never allowed to grow, chicano brothers (club/click) late 70's early 80's. 13LocoS late 90's, otnc clicka -temecula click, still nesting, Nacional Ave (chula vista click that never popped off) 2000's, some these were not well known, the newer ones i know personally but most never got to see more than a few hit ups here and there and a bunch of hood politics came up so we wont speak on that part. i grew up in nc and my fam is deep in the set all the way to the roots of the barrio. i dont bang but i been in the mix of bullshit cuase my familia and just hearing the homies talk.


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THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER IT...I'M SANTO NATIONAL CITY ENANOS...BACK IN 1979 I WAS WRITING SANTO HBS ALL OVER...THEN THE HBS GRABED ME AND SAID I CAN'T WRITE HBS...THAT'SWHEN THEY NAMED US ENANOS BECAUSE WE WERE ONLY 12-13-14 YEAR OLDS...AND THE REST IS HISTORY...GOOD TO SEE MY CITY IS STILL ON TOP...SO LAST I WANT TO SAY TO ALL THE RAPERS FROM THE NASTY CITY..THE CITY OF RED DEVILS.. DON'T FORGET ABOUT US...SO PROPS TO THE GANGS OF THE EARLY 80'S ENANO BOYS THE HBS ..LOS GATOS...ARCE BOYS...BLOCK BOYS...ALLEY BOYS...CORNER BOYS...MIXED CREED...AND THE HOME GIRLS OF NC...ENANO GIRLS AND THE TINY LOCAS...


anonimo wrote:Lone Wolf is right about NC ANCHOR BOYS. They were around in NC BEFORE OTNC came up. They came up in the early 40's. OTNC Night Owls came up in the late 40's/ early 50's. The Night Owls claimed "OLD TOWN" NC, because their barrio remained in an undeveloped old part of National City (west of NC BLVD from 8th to 24th), while newer houses were being put up east of National City BLVD the late 40's and early 50's. That's why the street sighs past National City BLVD says E(ast) before the street name that far west into NC. Back then...that was the east side! OTNC Gatos (50's/60's) are said to be the generation after the Night Owls. I guess there are still homies from OTNC that have kept GTS going throughout the years via new recruits.

Anchor Boys were supposed to have died off in the 50's...after OTNC took off. Don't know if they were allied though...but my uncle told me that Anchor Boys and Otay used to beef in the 1940's.

When the media/NCPD reports that OTNC has been around since WWII...I think they mean gangs in NC have been around since WWII (NC Anchor Boys). I'm sure all of you are well aware of how much the media...and PD tend to screw up the real deal when it come to our hoods. I read a PD report by Sanders himself, whicj stated that the RED STEPS were a click of the LOGAN 30TH STREET gang! pfff
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Post  XVXX on Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:11 pm

I READ THOSE A FEW WEEKS AGO. THOSE ARE SOME REAL GOOD FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS. THE ONLY ONE THAT IS QUESTIONABLE IS THE ONE ABOUT THE ANCHOR BOYS...

GROWING UP, I USE TO CALL THE ACRE BOYS THE ANCHOR BOYS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DID UNTIL THEY LEARNED THE GANG NAME CAME FROM LINCOLN ACRES. MOST INDIVIDUALS PERCEPTION OF TIME IS ALL MIXED UP BY DECADES. A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO PUT A LOT OF CHEESE ON THE ENCHILADA. WHAT I NEED TO FIGURE OUT IS TWO THINGS. IF THERE WERE A ANCHOR BOYS, WHERE DID THEY COME FROM AND WHERE DID THE NAME DEVELOP??? MAYBE A PICTURE OF SOME ANCHOR BOYS WILL HELP ASWELL. ALSO, SO FAR IN THE 1930'S-1940'S THE ONLY MONEY BEING MADE IN NC WAS THROUGH FARMING AND THE TRAIN DEPOT, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY COMMERCE COMING FROM BOATS OR DOCKS LIKE WILMAS/LB/SAN PEDRO. BECAUSE WE CAN ASSUME THAT'S WHERE THE NAME COMES FROM. I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED THAT SEGMENT YET...

BUT SO FAR I HAVE CASA DE SALUD AS THE ROOT OF ALL DELIQUENT PROBLEMS AND WHERE GANGS IN NC CAME FROM. CASA DE SALUD IS IN THE HEART OF OTNC. SO IF THERE IS A ANCHOR BOY GANG AND IT CAME FROM CASA DE SALUD THEN THAT CREDIT GOES TO OTNC. FOR SURE OTNC WAS AROUND IN 1944 MAYBE EVEN 1941. ( I HAVE PROOF). IT WAS TOO UNDEVELOPED IN THESE PERIODS FOR OTHER GANGS TO COME TOGETHER. 

REMEMBER PEOPLE GET OUR INFO FROM SITES AND BLOGS (YOU AND I) AND THEY TAKE THEM AS HARDCORE FACTS. MOST POSTERS DON'T KNOW HOW TO CITE OR SAY WHO THERE SOURCE IS. I'VE SEEN IT FIRST HAND IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.LOL 

FOR EXAMPLE, THE HOMIE FROM HOME BOYS AND ENANOS ARE TALKING ABOUT THERE FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE WHILE THE ONE WHO MENTIONS ANCHOR BOYS IS SAYING THINGS YOU ALREADY PUT OUT THERE YEARS AGO... HE DOESN'T SAY I'M FROM OTNC OR NC AND I'M 76 YEARS OLD AND BLAH BLAH BLAH. HE'S BASICALLY AGREEING WITH WHAT YOU WROTE. OTAY AND ANCHOR BOYS FIGHTING IN THE 40'S??? 

FIRST THE UNCLE TOLD HIM THAT. SECOND OTNC WAS ALREADY AROUND IN THE 40'S SO IF ANCHOR BOYS FAUGHT THEN THEY WOULD BE GOING AT IT WITH OTNC. THIRD, THERE NOT MENTION IN THE SD GANG 3 SERIES ARTICLE IN 1950 OTAY ISN'T EITHER. CONTINUE.....

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Post  XVXX on Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:42 pm

OTAY AND SY MYTH....

OTAY AND SY AS GANG ARE NOT FROM 20'S, 30'S, OR EVEN 40'S. SY STARTED KICKING UP DUST IN THE 1950'S. STARTING IN 1953/54..

I CAN ONLY ASSUME SY VULTURES STARTED A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT FROM 1951-1954. THERE WERE MILITARY STATIONED IN BROWN FIELD AND THEY WERE HARASSING MEXICANS AND EVEN VICTIMIZING MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS. LATER THE SY VULTURES DEVELOPED AS A DEFENSE GANG TO COUNTER THE MILITARY HARASSING THEM. ONE BIG GANG FIGHT OCCURED IN PALM CITY BETWEEN THE SY VULTURES AND A UNAMED PALM CITY GANG WHO'S MEMBERS WERE WHITE BOYS. SOME SY VULTURES LIVED IN OTAY ON ANITA STREET, BECAUSE IN THOSE TIMES IF YOU COMMITTED A CRIME THEY WOULD GIVE YOUR ADDRESS. 

OTAY AS A GANG DIDN'T EVEN EXIST IN 1954. SY VULTURES CAME BEFORE THEM. EVEN AN SY VULTURE LIVED ON ANITA STREET WHICH IS IN THE HEART OF OTAY. 

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WHICH IS SOUTH OF CV. CV HAD WHITE BOYS AND EVEN WHITE GANGS. OTAY IS WHERE THE MEXICAN'S LIVED BECAUSE THE FIELD/CROP WORK. THERE WERE A SERIES OF CASES CALLED "THE WETBACK MURDERS" WHERE MIGRANT WORKERS WERE BEING ROBBED AND KILLED BY THERE OWN AND BY WHITES. IN 1952 THERE WERE THESE MURDERS BEING DONE BY OTAY RESIDENTS, BUT THEY DIDN'T LIST THEM AS A GANG. THERE WERE CRIMES BEING COMMITTED IN BACK IN 1947, BUT STILL NO GANG PRESENCE. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE INTO ROBBING/211S. NOW IN 1958 THERE WAS A DANCE IN SY AND MAN BREAKING UP A FIGHT (SO-CALLED INNOCENT BYSTANDER) WAS A RESIDENT FROM OTAY WHO WAS STABBED.. MY ASSUMPTION IS THEY PROBABLY FORMED AFTER A SERIES OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITES AND GOING TO JAIL AND SEEING THE VULTURES AND OTHER GANGS POP UP THEY PROBABLY THEN FORMED THERE GANG. TO BE CONTINUED. I HAVE A GAP BETWEEN 1958-1969. BUTIN 1969 SOME WHITE BOYS FROM A GANG IN PACIFIC BEACH WENT TO A DANCE AT THE OTAY RECREATION CENTER AND GOT INTO A FIGHT WITH THE VLO'S AND THE VLO'S WERE THE FIRST TO BE SHOT AND KILLED IN GANG VIOLENCE. BIG CASE IN SD. INVOLVING GUNS AND GANGS

I'M GOING TO KEEP LOOKING INTO OTAY, BUT SO FAR THEY PROBABLY DON'T DATE UNTIL THE MID TO LATE 50'S. VULTURES ARE PROBABLY FROM 1951 OR 1952.

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Post  wolfman on Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:44 am

orale, that's some good clecha you're throwing up., guess you been hitting that research pretty bad, que no? 

that's good homie, keep it going

orale, so here's my two centavos to keep it going., yeah, i don't know about the acre boys being ever called anchor boys, lincoln acres is way far off from the docks and the west side., besides that, the acres boys are not that old., wasn't there an issue involving the nc alley boys with the acre boys because of the same initials? i don't know, i could be wrong, but acres boys can not factor into the 1940s equation because they were not around, and the like i said before, the only reason i posted anchor boys is because of my compa, a loganero, the same one who has given me a lot of solid info over the past, so that 411 i never read from anywhere, i got it from mi loco with gray hairs, almost all white canas now., but that doesn't mean that these anchor boys were old town national city members, they mighta been some short lived small club gang that never developed., i don't know., i'm just saying., but whatever dog, lets put that aside and keep going

in regards to SY & Otay as later gangs from the 50s or 60s, yeah, i'll buy that, but what i don't buy is all the history coming solely from newspaper articles, cause you and i and everybody knows that the news media only gets it right sometimes, and even them sometimes are a quarter correct., like for example, here's the fact that they never wrote about in the newspaper about SY and its pachucos., SY pachucos partied and had more activity in Tijuana than in the SD side, the reason being that all the night life was in Tj during those tiempos when the border was mostly unguarded., in fact, if you understand the landscape of Sidro, you'll find that it breaks down into several areas., the old school areas where these, the one on the south side of the freeway by calle primera and larson field which was part of the old little landers colony, the next part is the one between the 5 and the tracks, in what is formally uncontested present day VSYR., the last section is mostly all along the san ysidro blvd east of the 805, and that neighborhood is the oldest, and it once used to be considered the town of tia  juana, and for all intents and purpose was almost synonymous with colonia libertad from tijuana mexico., there's very little left in terms of homes in this last section, but this is where the old old neighborhood was, and that's where pachucos had it going back in the 1940s, before there was a varrio san ysidro in the later 50s and early 60s., 

so what i'm trying to say here is that there were plenty of chucos around in the SY neighborhood doing things, same thing in other neighborhoods like otay and imperial, which i would consider the three oldest down here, but those chucos were not necessarily claiming varrio this or varrio that., it didn't work that way back then., so you have to scope it all out under a different microscope., you have to use different eyes, and maybe go to different sources., the last history about sidro pachucos that i just wrote about comes from talking to older people and confirmed by some reading at the tijuana central library at park teniente guerrero., that's is where you can find more history on san ysidro than even the san ysidro library.

i agree with you that most varrios as we know them today, like sidro, otay, etc. all came up in the late 50s early 60s, but that doesn't mean that those towns didn't have locos with a different onda going on in the 40s, 30s or even 20s IMO

BTW, i'm not trying to put up a fight on behalf of sidro 'cause that ain't the case., i'm not for anyone., in fact, i spent a night in jail because of a pleito with sidrenos back in the early 80s., i do have an old primo from the sidro villa locos whom i haven't seen in like ten years maybe., and i do have an old school homeboy from the original locotes, also from the early 80s, but i ain't seen him in like a decade as well, the only other two main sources i had for sidro is this one loco i met at work some years back, and this other on-line loco., the reason i'm saying all this is because i just want it to be clear that i ain't affiliating with anybody, i don't have that ype of personal agenda going., i'm just trying to get to the history of things
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Post  wolfman on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:16 pm

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Post  XVXX on Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:13 pm

What I meant about Acre Boys is growing up a lot of us as kids before banging or people from other hoods would call the ACRE BOYS the Anchor Boys up until somebody corrrected them or After you learned they were named after Lincoln Acres. It was common for people to refer to the Acre Boys as the Anchor Boys. 
 
My opinion on newspaper info is it's almost 80% reliable rather than getting my info from people with opinions. Most writers/reporters have to go through certain research in order to come up with a story. From citing sources to conducting 1 on 1 interviews with people. But, bottomline is they are not taking sides (UNBIAS???). I grew up thinking LH was the oldest and deepest varrio in all of SD. Not until the 2nd injunction came out did we figure out how old we are and how deep we were. LH had put in so much work and smashed all around that I think everyone believed they were old and deep.
 
The newspaper reporter has the same sources or better sources then any regular person on the streets. I'm going to give more regard to a College Professional News writer then a person from the hood with a short-term memory. Thats what i think.

I agree that these hoods probably had other crazy guys doing crime before the gang/hoods were established. Then your insight on pachucos would make sense too in SY about them partying in TJ. That's something I would like to look into. 

I'm not saying you, but other people on forums seem to be defensive when the UT reported that OTNC was the oldest gang in SD county. Then they mad excuses why they were not. Without anything other than saying OH my NANA said this and my Tio said that. You and I both know that doesn't fly. Then some new reporters and there research, I mean.. We have to ask ourselves who is more credible a college professional or a person with a selective memory? I just don't have faith in people and their memories from the streets. 

For example, There was a rumor going on in my hood that a younger homie had killed a Logan boy in Logan and he was doing life for killing a Logan boy. Kind of bragging.. So, then i did my homework and found out it was like the telephone game. One person tells another and the story becomes more distorted. At the end, It was a domestic dispute in Logan where the homie was accused for killing his mom's boyfriend who was 40 year old in LOGAN. The man might have been an older gee from Logan, but they made it sound like they were banging and smoked a Logan boy It was Domestic. 

This is research that I do from the little storys I here and then use the news and even sometimes the court paperwork and I put 2 and 2 together.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Post  XVXX on Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:20 pm

I like that flick. I'm saving it. LOL

I know you don't have a agenda. People might think I do since I'm from OTNC. Being the oldest or the hardest doesn't matter. I'm amazed with all the history and the things i've learned. It makes me appreciate my hood and the history of our people.

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Post  Weedie on Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:40 am

Its funny all the ego trippin on what gang is the oldest. I think many have their own thoughts because they have a dog in the race ...nothing wrong with that. I can only throw my two centavos in. Who cares about the oldest. Its all about the baddest. Most vatos seem to get their history from people who have walked the walk. Newspapers and media always get the streets wrong. Only half truths made it to the media from johnny law (just like today). Things always get twisted in the news. But I get it...you can still get some history from papers about old varrios.

I'm trying to run across a old news article that has the first NEWS documented gang in San Diego (noticed i said NEWS). Cause there are many gangs that do exist (or have existed) but were never documented by the NEWS. Anyway this first gang was nameless but it kicked off in Downtown SD in the late 1800's. It wasn't a white gang. It wasn't a black gang, it wasn't a Mexicano gang. Hell it wasn't even a mixed race gang. The article said it was a FILIPINO gang. So it is most likely that the first NEWS documented gang was a Filipino gang. But I don't remember the article naming the gang. I dont think Otay is as old as the 30's. But there was supposed to be a gang called Los Yatos in the 40's. The first generation of Otay was called Yatos so Otay at least has its roots in the 40s sometime. There is a article where a vato from Otay tells a reporter that he wasn't even sure of his varrios history but that it started in the late 40's or 50's. That's from the horses mouth. That tells me that Otay is probably not from the 30's but it may be from the 40's.Nido boys..and a Sidro Vulture living on Anita Street in  Otay. I have heard of Nita Boys or Nita Street Boys and old gang that was supposed to be from south side in the same timeline as Los Yatos. Maybe they were from Anita Street in Otay? Anyway there were probably more than one gang in Otay in those days. Didn't west side NC had 3 gangs in the 40's OTNC, Mutes and Niteowls?. There were white gangs in Palm City and Otay. I have heard that too. I also heard white black and brown were in the same youth gangs in Logan and Otay in the 50's. Probably some Ducky Boy type shit like in the Wanderers. Anyways there are probably older gangs then the ones around today but they probably went inactive and never were documented by the NEWS. So we will never know who really was the oldest.

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Post  wolfman on Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:05 pm

man i barely got my computer back, its been a while., sup foos., que ondas weys Smile

ey weedie, that's true what you're saying, i agree with you with a lot of what you said, my bad on how sometimes im too fucced up and i misread what homies here are saying, dispensa people.

anyways, you said something there about "who cares" which varrio came first? right? well you know, for some of us that carry a certain attitude from our times and our place in the barrio family, it does carry some importance, not only in the endurance of times and eras, but also in the way people converse and communicate in each of those times and eras, so for me and Big Bandit, that's some of what goes with the establishing who's among the oldest if not the oldest. But i hear what you're saying 'cause being the baddest goes a longer way in today's attitude for sure., im stucc on the olden side in my thinking and analyzing of things, that's all., good talking to you.
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History on Otay

Post  SouthbayRaised on Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:48 pm

Just a lil background on me I was raised in one of the largest gang families in the south bay. I had my Uncle, Aunts, multiple generations of cousins banging from 60s-2000s. I love all the history on the gangs on the southbay! I recently talked to an older homie who came over from Tijuana in the Mid 50s. He said he was a Pachuco from TJ. When he came over they started calling them Chucos. He said the older homies were called Cholos. He confirmed that there were homies already reppin Otay when he got here. This info only confirms there were Otayeros in the 50s. I also know a 90year old man with a Otay tattoo. So that hood is definitely among the oldest in SD.

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Post  wolfman on Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:23 pm

firme background., orale

ey, not wanting to change the subject on you or nada but back to the old subject as to the oldest hood in san diego., i don't know, but i was reading up trying to follow the lineage of how it developed on the west side, like mission bay, otsd, claras and linda vista, and everywhere i kept running into Linda Vista Tecolotes as if they were a clique from the old LV13/LVR, but it turns out they're not, they were their own gang back in the day, and they were from down the road by mission bay on Tecolote Road and Morena Blvd. In fact, the place got hit big time with development, so much that Tecolote Road became Sea World Drive on the south side of the 5 freeway. Anyways, that was Tecolotes o.g. neighborhood, and now the Linda Vista 13 Rifa neighborhood is mostly up the winding road up the hill via Linda Vista Road, but the old Barrio Tecolotes was from the 1920's. The place can still be found on old maps as Tecolote Valley Creek.
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