Old Dizneyland Article vs ESV MBR???

dstrm300 Mon May 13, 2013 3:01 am

There was no argument from Kitty Scott when it came to the basic account of her brother's killing on May 3.

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Leonard James Scott

Leonard James Scott
was a parolee, had been drinking before he went looking for the mother
of his young daughter and was with gang members when he was gunned down
with a shotgun.

The 23-year-old Scott's death ended a life dotted with arrests,
incarcerations and trouble. But through it all, his 19-year-old sister
remembers "a good-hearted person" who struggled from the age of 12 to
resist the pull of gangs and drugs.

Leonard Scott grew up near Duffy Street, in the hardscrabble
unincorporated area of San Bernardino County known as Muscoy. His sister
said that as soon as he reached adolescence, he fell in with the wrong
crowd.

By 17, he had been to juvenile hall and began to claim gang
membership, Kitty Scott said. But for a short period of time around the
age of 19, there was a glimmer of hope: Leonard Scott moved to Arizona
with family, picked up a good-paying job in construction and was away
from San Bernardino's bad influences, his sister said.

It didn't last.

"He missed his friends," Kitty Scott told me earlier this week. "He
ended up borrowing his girlfriend's car, came back here and messed it
all up."

In 2006, Scott was sentenced to two years in state prison for
convictions of receiving stolen property and drug possession. He got out
in a year, but returned to prison within six months, this time for
another receiving stolen property conviction, records show.

He was released from prison for good on April 14.

He was killed May 3.

Kitty Scott said that her brother's downfall was letting himself
return to drugs and gangs after having a falling out with the mother of
his child. Worried that he wouldn't see his young daughter, he began
using speed and fell apart, Kitty Scott said.

The day he was killed outside an East 18th Street apartment, Leonard Scott saw his sister and gave her a big hug, she said.

"He was in tears, he didn't know what to do," Kitty Scott said. "He
said, 'They threatened to take my baby.' I told him, 'Don't do drugs,
get clean and you'll get your daughter back.'"

But Scott had been drinking, and later went looking for his
daughter's mother, Kitty Scott said. He was standing outside an
apartment in the 200 block of East 18th Street and yelling with a woman
who he thought knew where his daughter's mother was.

That's when police believe Scott began arguing with the people next
door, prompting a 16-year-old boy there to shoot him and another man
with a shotgun.

Timothy John Vargas Jr. was charged with murder and is scheduled to appear in court today. His family has said that Scott threw a barbecue grill through the window of Vargas' apartment and was flashing gang signs before he was shot.

"He was a good hearted person and would always be there for you,"
Kitty Scott said. "The thing is, he was in a gang, which is bad."

dstrm300 Mon May 13, 2013 3:02 am

As 16-year-old Timothy John Vargas Jr. awaits
arraignment on a murder charge, we're learning more details about the
slaying he's connected to -- and an earlier incident that may have
played a role.

Vargas surrendered
to the FBI's Inland Regional Apprehension Team Tuesday morning, 10 days
after a parolee was fatally shot on the front lawn of his apartment in
the 200 block of East 18th Street.

Leonard James Scott, 23, lived around the block from Vargas and was
arguing with him when he was shot with a shotgun, police said.

The nature of the argument hasn't been released, but search warrant
affidavits filed in San Bernardino County Superior Court suggest a link
between Scott's death on May 3 and an April 24 shooting that took place
four blocks away.

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On the 24th, San Bernardino police came upon men in a gold Buick
stopped in the 1400 block of North Sepulveda Avenue. Someone in the car
was shooting at occupants of a Chrysler parked in a nearby driveway.

Witnessing the shooting, a patrol officer struck the shooter's car
with his cruiser to stop them from escaping. The suspected shooter then
attempted to run, and fearing he was about to be shot, the patrol
officer fired his weapon, striking the man in the leg.

The man, 19-year-old Mark Miles, showed up at a local hospital and
was arrested there on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon. He was later charged with several felonies.

No one on the Chrysler was wounded by the gunfire from Miles' car.
But it turns out one of the occupants was Vargas, according to an
affidavit by San Bernardino police Detective Timothy Crocker.

Vargas was riding with someone who also lived on the 200 block of
East 18th Street, the report stated. That person's house was found to
have a bullet hole lodged in the wall, which police suspect came from
the same shooter who later got into the Buick and fired at the car
Vargas was riding in.

Police have said that they suspect Vargas belongs to a local gang.
Nine days later, outside his house down the street, Vargas is charged
with using a shotgun to shoot two people, including Scott.

Scott and the other man who was wounded are also suspected gang
members, potentially connected to the people in the Buick who shot at
the car Vargas was riding in on April 24.

An affidavit by Detective Brett Baumgartner indicates that Vargas ran
back into his apartment after shooting Scott and the other man. A SWAT
team surrounded his home but the suspect had escaped.

dstrm300 Mon May 13, 2013 3:03 am

It dnt say nothin about him bein from the landz but notice the mention on him growin up on Duffy.

Guest Mon May 13, 2013 3:10 am

What year is this article from my dude?

dstrm300 Mon May 13, 2013 2:37 pm

04, maybe 05 I believe. I have a couple more but its the same thing no mention of the gang jus the crimes.

Guest Mon May 13, 2013 3:22 pm

So this must be 06' I see that now or 07'

dstrm300 Mon May 13, 2013 3:54 pm

On
January 6, 2006, Albert Dean Cain, Jr. was working on a car outside his
son's residence in San Bernardino. A person he later identified as Hill
fired several gunshots at him from a moving vehicle, described as a
black Yukon. Cain ducked behind a vehicle and afterwards started
pursuing the Yukon, but police stopped him for erratic driving. At
approximately 3:55 p.m., San Bernardino City Police Detective Travis
Walker responded to the scene of the shooting and interviewed Cain, who
identified Malcolm Hill as the driver of the Yukon, and Hill as a
passenger in it. Almost two weeks later, Cain also identified the two
Hill brothers from official photographs.
On
February 20, 2007, Detective Walker and other police conducted
surveillance on a funeral, and stopped a vehicle Nancy Clanton was
driving; its vanity license plate was, "4EVRPIT." Michael Dunn sat in
the front passenger seat, Theodis Simmons sat in the right rear seat,
and Maurice Hill sat in the left rear seat. Detective Walker testified
that all of the individuals in the vehicle were members of the 18th
Street gang. Police found a .38-caliber revolver on Clanton's person, a
loaded Baretta .380-caliber handgun in the front near where Dunn sat, as
well as a Sig Sauer .357-caliber handgun and a Ruger .45-caliber
handgun in the rear, underneath the front seat. Clanton claimed she
owned all the weapons.
Detective
Walker, over defense counsel's foundation objection, testified
regarding the guns' ownership: "Based on the [guns'] position[s], we
didn't assign a handgun to the two back passengers that day. However,
upon getting a return from the crime lab, the Sig .357[-caliber] that we
recovered was the same match to the . . . shots that were fired at Mr.
Cain. When I reviewed that report and seen [sic] the named
suspects were Maurice and Malcolm Hill, I deduced the .357[-caliber] Sig
was [Maurice] Hill's." The court permitted an exhibit of Detective
Walker's list of the different guns and his conclusion regarding their
possession to be admitted into evidence over defense objections it
lacked foundation, was hearsay, speculative, and prejudicial under
Evidence Code section 352.
Detective
Walker opined as a gang expert regarding the Cain family's ties to San
Bernardino gangs called Little Zion Manor and Gilbert Street Bloods.
Detective Walker testified regarding some gangs' origins: "Macon Mafia
is a criminal street gang that's primarily comprised of members of the
Macon and Davis family. It's a gang that unless you're part of the
family, you couldn't get into. [¶] But during the '80s and '90s, they
resided in an apartment complex that's known as the Little Zions, which .
. . it's located on the northeast corner of 19th Street and California
Street in . . . San Bernardino. [¶] Since it was hard to become a member
of the Macon Davis or Macon Mafia since you didn't have a bloodline,
they created a criminal street gang by the name of Little Zion Bloods,
which also spun off into another street gang called Gilbert Street
Bloods, which was located on Gilbert Street just east of Medical Center
Drive." Detective Walker testified regarding the respective turfs and
gang associations of several other gangs, including Delman Heights,
California Gardens Crips, The Projects, Five Time Hometown Crips,
Magnolia Estates, Disneyland Gangsters, and Alley Boys. Detective Walker
opined Hill was a member of the 18th Street Maze gang.
Detective
Walker testified regarding the shooter's purpose in firing at Cain:
"[T]his was another ongoing retaliation shooting from the murder that
occurred back in 2003 of the Disneyland gang member, Mr. Albert, and
several of the other shootings that we had involving Little Zion [gang]
and 18th Street gang."

dstrm300 Mon May 13, 2013 3:56 pm

More about 18th and LZB more then anything but it has sum intresting notes. This is a court document I found btw, its the only time im able to find mention of the actual gang.

Guest Mon May 13, 2013 7:17 pm

Wow. If this is correct and accurate info the Macons and Davis' are credited with originating lil Zion and Gilbert. Interesting.

TumbleWeed Mon May 13, 2013 8:11 pm

They had a hand in the formation, but there were others as well. A few notable Macons were instrumental in helping form some west side gangs as we now know them.

dstrm300 Mon May 13, 2013 9:56 pm

Not too sure how much credit they have in the creation of the Gilberts never heard of that til I read this. But I kno I heard about them startin the Zions or atleast havin a hand in their creation as Ryda stated. They were always over there actually. Im a post something that I just thought about. Maybe they did have a hand in the creation of GSB. This isnt a article that will say that exactly but it shows...never mind im a just post it.

dstrm300 Mon May 13, 2013 10:01 pm

SAN BERNARDINO - Patrick
Shaun Macon, who was convicted in the 2007 death of Edward Griffin and
was described as being "out of control," was ordered held to face murder
charges in two other killings.

Macon appeared Thursday in San Bernardino Superior Court for a
hearing to determine if sufficient evidence exists to support charges
against him in two other gang-related shootings in San Bernardino.

After hearing testimony from several San Bernardino police
officers, Judge Harold Wilson ruled that sufficient evidence existed to
hold Macon for trial in the deaths of 28-year-old Aaron Hines in May
2003 and 21-year-old Joshua Stanton three years later.

Macon's lawyer argued that prosecutors lacked evidence against
her client, specifically only interviews from family members and other
possible witnesses who lack credibility and face their own law
enforcement issues.

A cousin of the defendant named Lajuan Ott talked to San
Bernardino detectives in October 2008 from a Nevada detention center,
according to testimony. After Macon was sentenced in Griffin's death,
Ott had told detectives he felt safe enough to give details about the
deaths of Hines and Stanton.

"It rests solely on Mr. Ott's statements, and Mr. Ott was in
custody at the time," Deputy Public Defender Erin Alexander argued
during the hearing. The defense also attacked a lack of forensic
evidence.

Deputy District Attorney Ron Webster confirmed Ott only came forward after

Macon was in custody and because he wanted to make changes in his life. Ott had claimed Macon was out of control.

"He gained nothing from his testimony except to clear his conscience," Webster said.

Macon, 30, faces two counts of murder, including special
allegations for the use of a handgun and committing crimes for the
benefit of a street gang in the two new cases.

Hines, of San Bernardino, was shot shortly before 10 p.m. in
the 1500 block of West Gilbert Street, in San Bernardino, on May 15,
2003. He was inside a vehicle parked on the street with several other
men nearby.

Ott reportedly saw Macon walk up to Hines, also known as
"China," with a .45 caliber handgun behind his back, detectives said. He
heard gunshots but didn't see the shooting, said Detective William
Flesher.

Ott then saw Macon running through a vacant field while
holding a gun, according to the detective. Hines suffered 11 gunshot
wounds.

Stanton, of Rialto, was shot dead in the 1600 block of West
10th Street, in San Bernardino, on August 12, 2006. An argument erupted
at a gathering of about 200 people at a home near West 10th and Tiajuana
streets when gunshots rang out, police said.

A witness told detectives that another gang member had claimed
to be in the back yard at the party, heard five to six shots and "saw a
subject in a striped shirt that kept shooting at the victim."

Detective Pete Higgins testified that the witness identified a
man in a striped shirt at the party as Macon. Stanton, who had no
weapon, suffered 18 gunshot wounds.

On cross-examination from the defense, Higgins revealed that
some witnesses claimed the gunshots came from a black Dodge Charger that
had cruised by with the window down.

However, Ott told police that Macon called him afterward and
said that he was just involved in a shooting on 10th Street and needed a
place to hide out, according to Flesher.

Some witnesses told police they believe Stanton was shot
because Macon believed he was there for a retaliation shooting in
response to the killing of James Gray, 25, in earlier 2003 at San
Bernardino Swap Meet on Mount Vernon Avenue.

Macon was convicted of voluntary manslaughter and attempted
voluntary manslaughter in the shooting of Griffin inside a car at
Medical Center Drive and Ninth Street, in San Bernardino, on Feb. 9,
2007. Another man was in the car with Griffin.

He was sentenced to 23 years and four months in that case.

dstrm300 Mon May 13, 2013 10:04 pm

The dude Hines was from LA not the E, tho he was a blood. I believe he was a Bounty Hunter I may be off tho. I kno it don't say too much but I was wondering when I had read it about how Gilbert felt about Patricc doin what he did (if that was even the case) with him being a member of the Projects.

TumbleWeed Mon May 13, 2013 10:25 pm

dstrm300 wrote:Not too sure how much credit they have in the creation of the Gilberts never heard of that til I read this. But I kno I heard about them startin the Zions or atleast havin a hand in their creation as Ryda stated. They were always over there actually. Im a post something that I just thought about. Maybe they did have a hand in the creation of GSB. This isnt a article that will say that exactly but it shows...never mind im a just post it.

Take whatever you read from these documents with a grain of salt. From what I've seen, there is plenty of misinformation coming from them. For instance, one of these articles stated that the PPHG's were formed in 1985/86 -- this is false, as they didn't change the name to PPHG until 1991, they were still Valley Boy Crips/Gangster at that time. This is just an example of how the documents are sometimes replete with inaccuracies.

TumbleWeed Mon May 13, 2013 10:30 pm

dstrm300 wrote:The dude Hines was from LA not the E, tho he was a blood. I believe he was a Bounty Hunter I may be off tho. I kno it don't say too much but I was wondering when I had read it about how Gilbert felt about Patricc doin what he did (if that was even the case) with him being a member of the Projects.

Yeah, that's right.