BEEF WITHIN THEIR OWN VARRIO...

Some barrios are too damned crazy for their own good.. Anyone know which ones always beef with their own? Don't have to say details, just curious if we were the only ones... SOUTH COLTONE always feuded within our own..

Casa Blanca has a long history of internal beef as well...

CB is one loco varrio. Much respect.

CB for sure, probably more than any other hood/barrio in the area, imo. I personally didn't know SSC had internal issues like that, that's interesting. 

The barrios/cliques on the west side of San Bernardino suffer from the more often than not, internal dispute. Calle Siete, Crazy Ones, Counts, etc.

It was predicted years ago when the peace treaties for all the hoods was in the works that if the varrios were to squash their beef with their traditional enemies that they will turn against themselves. Turns out that there was some truth to that. In other cases, it was the move towards more of an organized crime structure that led to more internal disputes.

ApplyThePressure wrote:In other cases, it was the move towards more of an organized crime structure that led to more internal disputes.

I think this is it.

Peace cannot be obtained within the gang world. Because if most youngsters had common structure, emotional balance, and stability, gangs wouldn't exist in the first place. It's so much more than just putting down your guns and trying to forgive your enemies for harming or killing you, your friends, comrades, and family. It's the mind state and circumstances that has to change. One that generally stems from an economical, genetic, and social dysfunction. It's never going to stop because there is too much at work to keep it going. Reaching the masses don't come cheap or easy, and nobody has the pull, time, or money to resolve it in every hood. Maybe a massive tragedy struck down on land, in whole, can produce some temporary change in direction of thought. A "restructure" if you will. Some use the term revolution, but with that comes a civil war with the most aggressive force on the planet, and most gang members aren't military minded or trained enough to handle that form of combat on the system.  

Bottom line, lost souls need something to do because they aren't equipped with knowledge of self or content with themselves enough to live and let live. And that's true peace. Not to mention all the negative influences. Youngsters want to prove themselves, be the biggest, baddest, and most famous. And that's in every hood. It's unfortunate. But it's reality. Too much machismo.

About internal beef, for these larger hoods, it's ALWAYS going to happen for the reasons i've stated above. As long as you have a separation of ideals or identity, you're going to have beef among them.  Generational, clique vs. clique, ethnicity, cultural, etc...

OVS, CBR, SSC, WSV, ESR, etc... you name it, and if it's turf is large enough, i'm sure there is internal beef. A lot of hoods don't want to claim that there is internal beef, be it small and petty or large and violent, due to seeming weak from outsiders, but it's reality. Keep it real. Beef don't make you weak or strong, it just is what it is.

CaliforniaRepublic wrote:OVS, CBR, SSC, WSV, ESR, etc... you name it, and if it's turf is large enough, i'm sure there is internal beef. A lot of hoods don't want to claim that there is internal beef, be it small and petty or large and violent, due to seeming weak from outsiders, but it's reality. Keep it real. Beef don't make you weak or strong, it just is what it is.

That's right on. I remember my older primos would tell me war stories from the 80's when they had to carry a good chain, bat, or filero and a few homies just to walk to the liqour store from L street/9th to Frank's Liqour on La Cadena/N street, a three or four block run, cause all the different little cliques would attack each other. In our very own Southside! I thought it would be a thing of the past, until it started happening in my generation. History repeats itself, always.

CaliforniaRepublic wrote:Peace cannot be obtained within the gang world. Because if most youngsters had common structure, emotional balance, and stability, gangs wouldn't exist in the first place. It's so much more than just putting down your guns and trying to forgive your enemies for harming or killing you, your friends, comrades, and family. It's the mind state and circumstances that has to change. One that generally stems from an economical, genetic, and social dysfunction. It's never going to stop because there is too much at work to keep it going. Reaching the masses don't come cheap or easy, and nobody has the pull, time, or money to resolve it in every hood. Maybe a massive tragedy struck down on land, in whole, can produce some temporary change in direction of thought. A "restructure" if you will. Some use the term revolution, but with that comes a civil war with the most aggressive force on the planet, and most gang members aren't military minded or trained enough to handle that form of combat on the system.  

Bottom line, lost souls need something to do because they aren't equipped with knowledge of self or content with themselves enough to live and let live. And that's true peace. Not to mention all the negative influences. Youngsters want to prove themselves, be the biggest, baddest, and most famous. And that's in every hood. It's unfortunate. But it's reality. Too much machismo.

About internal beef, for these larger hoods, it's ALWAYS going to happen for the reasons i've stated above. As long as you have a separation of ideals or identity, you're going to have beef among them.  Generational, clique vs. clique, ethnicity, cultural, etc...

Most intellegent reply.. Very true.

I feel you maldito, im from O. its always some bullshit going on with the little homies in vets or in front of tobys

Toby's! Yeah that was the spot! COLD beers there!

TumbleWeedBity wrote:CB for sure, probably more than any other hood/barrio in the area, imo. I personally didn't know SSC had internal issues like that, that's interesting. 

The barrios/cliques on the west side of San Bernardino suffer from the more often than not, internal dispute. Calle Siete, Crazy Ones, Counts, etc.

Speaking solely on the San Bernardino issues, the internal disputes in the Flats, between MVR cliques most prominently Siete and Lil Counts was the result of a confusing mix of external politics and attempts by outsiders to split the Inland Empire car into conquerable segments.  Things went south immediately following the meeting at Gateway in '92 convened by groups of parolees from outside the area.  Rolo and Tio Rube had no right to politic against local leaders from the I.E.  However they successfully capitalized on the greed and stupidity of a select few who succumbed to temptation and changed the way things had been done for decades.  Without the backing of Rolo and Tio Rube the Hernandez brothers would never have seized the crown.  They cautiously avoided conflict with the Tupi until he had been successfully neutralized.  They continued their policy of appeasement by initially supporting Big Turtle and then shifting over to support Crazy D and Mando. By focusing their power grab on the West end of the Valley in a supporting role for Rolo they drew on the perceived strength of two long associated with the upper-echelon of Eme operations, the consequences of which were tragic for a lot of people as family members were forced to choose sides and ordered to kill their own.  Life long friendships came into question and the unique culture and traditions of the MVR clique died.  Deception and brutality became the order of the day as individuals aspired to positions they were ill-suited for.  The rule breaking "politicking precisely" continues as high profile yet highly questionable figures continue to issue orders and insert quislings into the fray.

CaliforniaRepublic wrote:Peace cannot be obtained within the gang world. Because if most youngsters had common structure, emotional balance, and stability, gangs wouldn't exist in the first place. It's so much more than just putting down your guns and trying to forgive your enemies for harming or killing you, your friends, comrades, and family. It's the mind state and circumstances that has to change. One that generally stems from an economical, genetic, and social dysfunction. It's never going to stop because there is too much at work to keep it going. Reaching the masses don't come cheap or easy, and nobody has the pull, time, or money to resolve it in every hood. Maybe a massive tragedy struck down on land, in whole, can produce some temporary change in direction of thought. A "restructure" if you will. Some use the term revolution, but with that comes a civil war with the most aggressive force on the planet, and most gang members aren't military minded or trained enough to handle that form of combat on the system.  

Bottom line, lost souls need something to do because they aren't equipped with knowledge of self or content with themselves enough to live and let live. And that's true peace. Not to mention all the negative influences. Youngsters want to prove themselves, be the biggest, baddest, and most famous. And that's in every hood. It's unfortunate. But it's reality. Too much machismo.

About internal beef, for these larger hoods, it's ALWAYS going to happen for the reasons i've stated above. As long as you have a separation of ideals or identity, you're going to have beef among them.  Generational, clique vs. clique, ethnicity, cultural, etc...

I am with you on everything excepting one thing. Could you explain what you mean when you say genetics?  Before I comment I want to make sure I understand what you were intending to say.

It may sound more like i meant it in a cultural or ethnicity-type sense, but no. I say genetics, in the sense of speaking directly to habitual or natural gene aspects, passed down through an individual's blood line, or gene pool, i guess i should say. Like personality for example. Some people are natural fighters, or aggressors while some might be more reserved, cool, or passive. I believe that much of what we are naturally stems from genetics, aside from what we as humans (naturally adaptable) train ourselves to become from circumstances, situations, or basically just life experience. And that's what i'm referencing, as far as certain aspects in the gene pool that can be used as an additive to a gang active environment. I may have dragged that explanation out a bit, but hopefully i cleared that up.

CaliforniaRepublic wrote:It may sound more like i meant it in a cultural or ethnicity-type sense, but no. I say genetics, in the sense of speaking directly to habitual or natural gene aspects, passed down through an individual's blood line, or gene pool, i guess i should say. Like personality for example. Some people are natural fighters, or aggressors while some might be more reserved, cool, or passive. I believe that much of what we are naturally stems from genetics, aside from what we as humans (naturally adaptable) train ourselves to become from circumstances, situations, or basically just life experience. And that's what i'm referencing, as far as certain aspects in the gene pool that can be used as an additive to a gang active environment. I may have dragged that explanation out a bit, but hopefully i cleared that up.

Ok I have clarity now.  There are certainly examples that can be listed that would seem to justify a genetic link with criminal proclivity but there is a fine and dangerous line leading straight to eugenics.  We are well on our way toward establishing data bases which include genetic information for a number of purposes, perhaps one day there will be a database containing information detailing individuals with the genetic markings of a murderer or thief, etc.  I'm not sure if this is wise but it has been discussed in detail.  It's an ethical issue that will have to be addressed at some point.

Nowadays there's lots of talk of epigenetics, rather than just genetics. It's creating hope in scientific circles because the concept is that epigenetics is how genes express themselves when exposed to certain environments. Unlike your genetics, which cannot be changed, epigenetics deals with changes that occur when your genes "mix" with your environment and this has very interesting implications on everything from nutrition to parenting.

The reason it is creates hope is because it leaves room for improvements, rather then us having to accept genetics that cannot be changed and were doomed to fail.