The Islamic Connection

The Roman Catholic Church and Islam Connection

1. Both The Roman Catholic Church and Islam believe that only they are the one true church/religion.

2. The Roman Catholic Church and the Islam require mandatory fasting.

3. The Roman Catholic Church worships, prays to and gives titles of God to Mary. Islam highly esteems Mary and she is mentioned 34 times in the Qu'ran.

"Even the infidel Muhammed glorifies Mary in his Koran, saying, 'The angels shall say to Maryam, "Allah has chosen thee; he has made thee exempt from all stain'". The Marian (Roman Catholic) Bible

4. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam base their salvation on a complicated system of works and deny salvation by faith alone. There is no assurance of salvation in either religion.

5. Both cults deny the Biblical view of the Atonement. The Roman Catholic Church doctrine dictates that one must go to Purgatory to have his sins purged, Jesus just paved the way. The Muslims believe their works will save them but will not know until Judgment Day. This is because there is no atonement for sin, and God's grace does not exist.

6. The Roman Catholic Church claims visions and apparitions in an effort to add false doctrine. Muhammad claimed to be purified as a child by angels. He claimed to receive revelations from Archangel Gabriel.

7. The Roman Catholic Church uses a rosary for their prayers, Islam uses prayer beads. The rosary/prayer beads are concepts taken from paganism.

8. The Pope is the vicar or substitute of Christ for the Roman Catholic Church. In Islam, Muhammad is called the last and final Messenger of God, the successor to Jesus.

9. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam have their own divorce system. The Roman Catholic Church grants anullments and Islam allows a man to divorce his wife by telling her she is divorced.

10. Islam rejects the Trinity doctrine, the Deity of Christ, salvation by grace through faith and teaches that Christians should be killed. However, the Roman Catholic Church accepts them and believes that they are offered salvation because of their faith in Abraham.

11. Both church organizations believe that leaving their church will result in eternal damnation.

12. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam share a hatred for the Jews.

13. The Roman Catholic Church and the Islam base some of their doctrine on pagan traditions. For The Roman Catholic Church the traditions of a goddess, rosary, pope, relics, purgatory, transubstantiation, praying to dead people, and idol worship are all based on paganism. The Allah of Islam was actually a pagan god, and not even the major deity.

14. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam have added books to support false doctrine. The Roman Catholic Church has added the Apocrypha and Islam the Qu'ran.

15. The Roman Catholic Church priest system (including Popes) has a history of sexual abuse of women and children. Islam has a history of (including Muhammad) sexual abuse of women and children.

16. Both religions believe in using FORCE to spread their version of the one true god to the unbelievers.

17. Both religions believe in a union with the state or of using the police powers of the state to compel obedience to their tenets.

18 Both religions have a "holy" shrine in which the believers are taught to look to as their headquarters e.g. Mecca and the Vatican.

RCC Rosary Beads Muslim Prayer Beads

The Vatican’s encounter with Islam

A historic step was taken in Rome last week. The first seminar of the Catholic-Muslim Forum was held on Nov. 4-6 2008 at the Vatican with the participation of about 60 Muslim and Catholic religious leaders and scholars from around the world.
















The participants discussed the love of God, love of the neighbor, human dignity and mutual respect in the two traditions of Islam and Christianity. On Nov. 6 the delegation was received by Pope Benedict XVI inside the Vatican where Mustafa Ceric, the grand mufti of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr, a world-renowned scholar of Islam, spoke on behalf of the Common Word delegation. source
King Abdullah Visits the Vatican

In the first meeting between a Saudi monarch and a pope, Benedict XVI and Saudi King Abdullah in 30-minute tête-à-tête discussed a “just solution” to the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians and, surprisingly, about the “importance of collaboration between Christians, Muslims and Jews for the promotion of peace, justice and spiritual and moral values.” source
Did the Roman Catholic Church invent Islam?

Alberto Rivera claimed that he, a novice Jesuit priest, was allowed to roam through the Vatican basement, picking through the treasures and secrets of the centuries, and he claimed that Cardinal Bea, the Jesuit General, personally instructed him in the origin of Islam. The claim he makes would take the story back to about 600 AD, but at that time the Vatican didn't exist, and records for such a claim would not possibly exist.

Indeed, the Vatican proper was not secured as a sovereign state until May 13, 1871. According to Rivera, from vaults of the Roman Whore, and Cardinal Bea, comes the alleged revelation that the Roman Catholic Church started Islam on purpose to take the Arabs under their control, and to secure Jerusalem.

Satan is quite capable of starting an evil thing without the help of the Roman Mother Church, helpful as she may have been to Satan.

Allah, and Islam, came along the roads from Babylon to Mecca, there is no detour by way of Rome. Indeed, the Roman Church got her vile religion from Babylon, where Muhammed got his, but they were not in any league, real or imagined. source

Fatima

THE "MIRACLE" OF THE SUN

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"To my surprise, I see clearly and distinctly a globe of light advancing from east to west, gliding slowly and majestically through the air...Suddenly the globe with its extraordinary light vanished, but near us a little girl of about ten continues to cry joyfully: 'I still see it! I still see it! Now it is going down!'

Jesus said that in the Last Days there would be many false signs and wonders, so much so, and so deceptive, that if it were possible even the Elect would be led astray. The key issue is whether a sign or wonder is consistent with the Bible. The messages coming from RCC "signs and wonders", particularly from "Marian apparitions", are NOT Biblical - they contradict the Bible, and primarily serve to exalt Mary and diminish Jesus.

The Fatima cult began after the alleged appearance of the Virgin Mary to three sickly children at Fatima, Portugal, in 1917. In St Paul's day it would have been part of Spain.

When you know the the origins of "Marian Worship" you realise that it was not Mary who appeared to those children but Seminaris.

Only the children were able to see the apparition hear what was said.

The apparition was accompanied by a strange miracle:

"The sun became pale, three times it turned speedily on itself, like a Catherine wheel . . . At the end of these convulsive revolutions it seemed to jump out of its orbit and come forward towards the people on a zigzag course, stopped, and returned again to its normal position. This was seen by a large crowd near the children and lasted twelve minutes. On that day, witnesses claimed to have seen the sun dance in the sky.

Even tho no one else in the world noticed that the sun had just jumped out of its orbit and started dancing did not concern the Roman Catholic Church!

The following is the description of the Miracle of the Sun, provided by Lucia, one of the three shepherd children to whom Our Lady appeared.

After speaking, Our Lady opened her hands. Sister Lucia writes:

"Then, opening her hands, she made them reflect on the sun, and as she ascended, the reflection of her own light continued to be projected on the sun itself.

Here, Your excellency, is the reason why I cried out to the people to look at the sun. My aim was not to call their attention to the sun, because I was not even aware of their presence. I was moved to do so under the guidance of an interior impulse.

After Our Lady had disappeared into the immense distance of the firmament, we beheld St. Joseph with the Child Jesus and Our Lady robed in white with a blue mantle, beside the sun. St. Joseph and the Child Jesus appeared to bless the world, for they traced the Sign of the Cross with their hands. When, a little later, this apparitioin disappeared, I saw Our Lord and Our Lady; it seemed to me that it was Our Lady of Dolors. Our Lord appeared to bless the world in the same manner as St. Joseph had done. This apparition also vanished, and I saw Our Lady once more, this time resembling Our Lady of Carmel."

The above quote was taken from the book, Fatima, In Lucia's Own Words, written by one of the three shepherd children who saw Our Lady of Fatima

Rev 18:23 "for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived". 1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Many Muslims today actually make pilgrimages to the Catholic shrine of Mary located there in Fatima, Portugal.

Fatima to Become Interfaith Shrine!

The Shrine's rector, Monsignor Luciano Guerra, told the Congress that Fátima "will change for the better." Addressing Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Orthodox, Buddhist and African Pagan representatives he stated: "The future of Fátima, or the adoration of God and His mother at this holy Shrine, must pass through the creation of a shrine where different religions can mingle. The inter-religious dialogue in Portugal, and in the Catholic Church, is still in an embryonic phase, but the Shrine of Fátima is not indifferent to this fact and is already open to being a universalistic place of vocation."

The Hindu representative Ansshok Ansraj, described how already in the Far East millions of Hindus are getting "positive vibrations" from visiting Marian shrines without endangering their faith.

Monsignor Guerra pointed out that the very fact that Fátima is the name of a Muslim and Mohammed's daughter, is indicative that the Shrine must be open to the co-existence of various faiths and beliefs. According to the Monsignor: "Therefore we must assume that it was the will of the Blessed Virgin Mary that this comes about this way." Traditional Catholics opposed to the Congress were described by the Monsignor as "old fashioned, narrow minded, fanatic extremists and provocateurs." From the Portugal News, 11-01-03

WholeGrains4Life wrote:The Islamic Connection - Dr. Walter Veith

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didnt i post this video? oh well..

I kind of believe this theory but I dont know some of the info i found from this source was too sketchy and didnt have enough proof to back up their theories such ass the "Green Flag will be over the vatican" claim made.

3. The Roman Catholic Church worships, prays to and gives titles of God to Mary. Islam highly esteems Mary and she is mentioned 34 times in the Qu'ran.

"Even the infidel Muhammed glorifies Mary in his Koran, saying, 'The angels shall say to Maryam, "Allah has chosen thee; he has made thee exempt from all stain'". The Marian (Roman Catholic) Bible

It's also interesting to note that Muhammad appealed to Roman Catholicism as the basis of his understandings of Christian beliefs on more than one occasion. Aside from the given example above, we can also read in the Qu'ran Muhammad describing a central core tenet of Christianity - the triune God-head (the doctrine of the Trinity). Although, from a false premise.

And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, 'Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Qur'an 5]

From here, we can see clearly that Muhammad was accusing Christians of holding certain theological and Christological beliefs that simply do not correspond to the facts. Muhammad mistakenly believed that Christians worshiped three gods in the form of God the Father, Mary the mother, and Jesus the Son. This understanding, however, was not entirely his own, but probably a combination of limited knowledge of Catholic theology and error on his part.

It appears that Muhammad drew most of his information regarding Christianity directly from the Roman Catholic church, whom people widely, yet incorrectly, believed (and still do) to be representative of orthodox Christianity. From his writings in the Qur'an, we can see that he was at least aware of the fact that Catholics revered and prayed to the virgin Mary. He reasoned to himself that this implies that she is worshiped as a god among Christians, despite the fact that Catholics do not perceive Mary as a god.

His flawed interpretation of each of the faiths doctrines is a subject for another time. But in any case, it simply demonstrates that Islamic understanding of Christianity at the time was largely derived from Roman Catholicism.

H Boy wrote:

WholeGrains4Life wrote:The Islamic Connection - Dr. Walter Veith

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didnt i post this video? oh well..

I kind of believe this theory but I dont know some of the info i found from this source was too sketchy and didnt have enough proof to back up their theories such ass the "Green Flag will be over the vatican" claim made.

Care to elaborate a bit more for those who don't know what you're talking about here?

WholeGrains4Life wrote:

H Boy wrote:

WholeGrains4Life wrote:The Islamic Connection - Dr. Walter Veith

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didnt i post this video? oh well..

I kind of believe this theory but I dont know some of the info i found from this source was too sketchy and didnt have enough proof to back up their theories such ass the "Green Flag will be over the vatican" claim made.

Care to elaborate a bit more for those who don't know what you're talking about here?

'Green flag of Allah will fly over Vatican'

He said Christian leaders such as Benedict are "afraid" because they realize Islam is Allah's favorite religion and they are going to hell unless they convert. The Gaza preacher declared the "green flag of Muhammad" would soon be raised over the Vatican.

"The day will soon come when the green flag of La Illah Illah Allah (There is no god but Allah) and Muhammad Rasul Allah (Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah) will be raised upon the Vatican and all around the world and on the fortresses of those who want to destroy Islam, because they know that this religion obliges them to face the truth that Islam is Allah's favorite religion. And until they join Islam, hell is their last station," Abu Saqer said.

And I looked, and behold a ‘green’ horse: and his name that
sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.”
Revelation 6:8

They use this as proof this theory NYTE^^^^