OLDEST GANGS IN SAN DIEGO???

Ceast wrote:The gang Varrio Logan Heights-RS/30/33/13 isn't as old as some othe SD hoods. The neighborhood is an old Barrio, and there were gangs there, but they didn't rep Logan, they repped their own deal. Those gangs united in the 50's/60's to rep Varrio Logan. Red Steps was suppost to ne the second generation, right after just the "Varrio Logan."

The oldest gangs (they always pop up in street talk/OG history lessons as being the oldest) in SD are;

Varrio Posole in North County (20's/30's)
Otay in the South Bay (20's/30's)
Sidro in the South Bay (20's/30's)
OTNC in the south bay (40's/50's)
ESD13 in East Side (40's/50's)


Logan Heights and Sherman Heights weren't that bad back then (40's/50's), but that they did have gangs named after streets and-funny enough-animals (The Osos, The Coyotes).Logan and Sherman didn't get real bad until the 1960's-when the Red Steps started up. That's when a lot of other San Diego hoods that are around today got crackin too. But, back in the day, there were gangs in most hoods that are around today, but they died off, and were replaced by new ones. Or, the gang died off, and a new generation resurrected the gang, and changed it's name.

Las Palmas(60's)->Vario Palm City (90's)
Anchor Boys (40's)->OTNC (50's)
Chula Vista Locos (50's)->VCV (70's)
Imperial Crazy Gang (60's)->Imperial 13(70's)
Nestor Locos (60's)-> Nestor 19th Street (70's)
Lomita Village Locos (60's)->Lomita 70's (70's)
Linda Vista Tecolotes (60's)->Linda Vista 13 (80's)

Most this stuff can be found at a vato named Lonewolf's webpage, but he took it down.

But one thing for sure, OTNC, Posole, Sidro, Otay always come up as the oldest of the SD gangs. I'm sure Encanto, Shelltown,Market, and Lomas are old too. Probably came up around the Logan days.

wolfman wrote:what'd you wanna know about my blog page of San Diego? it's still there.. i'm just breaking it all down into areas, like south east, south bay, east county, so on and so on, you know, break it down like in L.A.

Ceast wrote:The gang Varrio Logan Heights-RS/30/33/13 isn't as old as some othe SD hoods. The neighborhood is an old Barrio, and there were gangs there, but they didn't rep Logan, they repped their own deal. Those gangs united in the 50's/60's to rep Varrio Logan. Red Steps was suppost to ne the second generation, right after just the "Varrio Logan."

The oldest gangs (they always pop up in street talk/OG history lessons as being the oldest) in SD are;

Varrio Posole in North County (20's/30's)
Otay in the South Bay (20's/30's)
Sidro in the South Bay (20's/30's)
OTNC in the south bay (40's/50's)
ESD13 in East Side (40's/50's)


Logan Heights and Sherman Heights weren't that bad back then (40's/50's), but that they did have gangs named after streets and-funny enough-animals (The Osos, The Coyotes).Logan and Sherman didn't get real bad until the 1960's-when the Red Steps started up. That's when a lot of other San Diego hoods that are around today got crackin too. But, back in the day, there were gangs in most hoods that are around today, but they died off, and were replaced by new ones. Or, the gang died off, and a new generation resurrected the gang, and changed it's name.

Las Palmas(60's)->Vario Palm City (90's)
Anchor Boys (40's)->OTNC (50's)
Chula Vista Locos (50's)->VCV (70's)
Imperial Crazy Gang (60's)->Imperial 13(70's)
Nestor Locos (60's)-> Nestor 19th Street (70's)
Lomita Village Locos (60's)->Lomita 70's (70's)
Linda Vista Tecolotes (60's)->Linda Vista 13 (80's)

Most this stuff can be found at a vato named Lonewolf's webpage, but he took it down.

But one thing for sure, OTNC, Posole, Sidro, Otay always come up as the oldest of the SD gangs. I'm sure Encanto, Shelltown,Market, and Lomas are old too. Probably came up around the Logan days.

wolfman wrote:

Ceast wrote:The gang Varrio Logan Heights-RS/30/33/13 isn't as old as some othe SD hoods. The neighborhood is an old Barrio, and there were gangs there, but they didn't rep Logan, they repped their own deal. Those gangs united in the 50's/60's to rep Varrio Logan. Red Steps was suppost to ne the second generation, right after just the "Varrio Logan."

The oldest gangs (they always pop up in street talk/OG history lessons as being the oldest) in SD are;

Varrio Posole in North County (20's/30's)
Otay in the South Bay (20's/30's)
Sidro in the South Bay (20's/30's)
OTNC in the south bay (40's/50's)
ESD13 in East Side (40's/50's)


Logan Heights and Sherman Heights weren't that bad back then (40's/50's), but that they did have gangs named after streets and-funny enough-animals (The Osos, The Coyotes).Logan and Sherman didn't get real bad until the 1960's-when the Red Steps started up. That's when a lot of other San Diego hoods that are around today got crackin too. But, back in the day, there were gangs in most hoods that are around today, but they died off, and were replaced by new ones. Or, the gang died off, and a new generation resurrected the gang, and changed it's name.

Las Palmas(60's)->Vario Palm City (90's)
Anchor Boys (40's)->OTNC (50's)
Chula Vista Locos (50's)->VCV (70's)
Imperial Crazy Gang (60's)->Imperial 13(70's)
Nestor Locos (60's)-> Nestor 19th Street (70's)
Lomita Village Locos (60's)->Lomita 70's (70's)
Linda Vista Tecolotes (60's)->Linda Vista 13 (80's)

Most this stuff can be found at a vato named Lonewolf's webpage, but he took it down.

But one thing for sure, OTNC, Posole, Sidro, Otay always come up as the oldest of the SD gangs. I'm sure Encanto, Shelltown,Market, and Lomas are old too. Probably came up around the Logan days.

19DAGO04 wrote:Oldest ACTIVE gang: probably a toss up between -OTNC- -VLO- -VSY- -VPLS- I think they all popped up around the same time. OTNC may be older than the 1940's. People just use the 1940's as a time line, cause that's when they were first reported by a newspaper.

Gotta remember, there were gangs in Barrio Logan before Varrio Logan Heights set up. Loads of other gangs that went dead along time ago too. It isn't like the 4 I posted up there where the only gangs until the 1950's. There were Filipino gangs at the turn of the century near "New Town" San Diego (what is Down Town today).

Ceast wrote:The gang Varrio Logan Heights-RS/30/33/13 isn't as old as some othe SD hoods. The neighborhood is an old Barrio, and there were gangs there, but they didn't rep Logan, they repped their own deal. Those gangs united in the 50's/60's to rep Varrio Logan. Red Steps was suppost to ne the second generation, right after just the "Varrio Logan."

The oldest gangs (they always pop up in street talk/OG history lessons as being the oldest) in SD are;

Varrio Posole in North County (20's/30's)
Otay in the South Bay (20's/30's)
Sidro in the South Bay (20's/30's)
OTNC in the south bay (40's/50's)
ESD13 in East Side (40's/50's)

anybody with more info down to chop it????? up face to face ?

Logan Heights and Sherman Heights weren't that bad back then (40's/50's), but that they did have gangs named after streets and-funny enough-animals (The Osos, The Coyotes).Logan and Sherman didn't get real bad until the 1960's-when the Red Steps started up. That's when a lot of other San Diego hoods that are around today got crackin too. But, back in the day, there were gangs in most hoods that are around today, but they died off, and were replaced by new ones. Or, the gang died off, and a new generation resurrected the gang, and changed it's name.

Las Palmas(60's)->Vario Palm City (90's)
Anchor Boys (40's)->OTNC (50's)
Chula Vista Locos (50's)->VCV (70's)
Imperial Crazy Gang (60's)->Imperial 13(70's)
Nestor Locos (60's)-> Nestor 19th Street (70's)
Lomita Village Locos (60's)->Lomita 70's (70's)
Linda Vista Tecolotes (60's)->Linda Vista 13 (80's)

Most this stuff can be found at a vato named Lonewolf's webpage, but he took it down.

But one thing for sure, OTNC, Posole, Sidro, Otay always come up as the oldest of the SD gangs. I'm sure Encanto, Shelltown,Market, and Lomas are old too. Probably came up around the Logan days.

Most this stuff can be found at a vato named Lonewolf's webpage, but he took it down.

wolfman wrote:

Most this stuff can be found at a vato named Lonewolf's webpage, but he took it down.

Lol @ a vato named Lonewolf

Ceast used to be a regular at my blog pages, and he was putting down some firme historias about SD varrios, but then he dropped off., don't know what happened to him(?)., i was at the NC library the other day and i found some good material., i'll dig it up later, but the main thing was that OTNC the gang only goes back to the 1950s, so it ain't as old as other gangs.

wolfman wrote:Hood or Gang?

the "barrio" was not known as OT early on., the barrio started getting attracting mexicans since the 1910s, and it was jamming by the 1940s, but it wasn't until the 1950s that the "gang" OTNC came out.

wolfman wrote:they're both about the same time., Logan was not one varrio., i did a thread on that not too long ago., i broke down a little history on both the red steps a.k.a. los cherries, a.k.a. barrio logan, and logan heights., saying barrio logan and varrio logan is not the same thing., varrio logan heights incorporates red steps, treinta, treinta y tres and the later 13 locos, plus lh clika., but barrio logan is solely the red steps., before logan heights got together there were other clubs like the osos and the coyoyes and the cherries and the chicanos and others, they all gave way to the modern varrio logan heights., it was the same thing in old town national city, only that it was kinds backwards, otnc came before the enano boys, the insane boys, the gatos, and the antiguos., old town got its name only after the city decided to target the old barrio as a blighted area and targeted for redevelopment., they went an uprooted la gente and then put up low rent housing for them to move into., old town was the name given to that part of town where the barrio was by the city., the old navy housing complex and the olivewood housing was the og area for otnc., this all came about after world war 2

nK SLEP ROCK wrote:So Basically The Faded Away And They Left Influence That Made The Area Into a Full Blown Varrio.!! So Are Coachmen The Only Ones Still Around??

wolfman wrote:

nK SLEP ROCK wrote:So Basically The Faded Away And They Left Influence That Made The Area Into a Full Blown Varrio.!! So Are Coachmen The Only Ones Still Around??

you mean like olden ones still around?

nah, the crazy gang is fully operational, and the yatos i hear still have a representation, the palmas suppodsedly still hold credit with palm city, and del sol has a lot of older gente., that's just my neck of the woods

wolfman wrote:yeah well you know i havent been hitting much of anything lately., i kinda dropped off the scene altogether., but i got a couple of firme logan homeboy compas that i'll hit up and ask about it., but i don't know how much history they know., i know one of them is og LH13Locos who was breaking down the 13Ls and LHClika history for me, so he's younger than me., the other vato i don't see him that often, but i'll dig up what i can when i can.