Re: OLDEST GANGS IN SAN DIEGO???

wolfman Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:38 am

Hood or Gang?

the "barrio" was not known as OT early on., the barrio started getting attracting mexicans since the 1910s, and it was jamming by the 1940s, but it wasn't until the 1950s that the "gang" OTNC came out.

Forum Gawd Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:40 am

wolfman wrote:Hood or Gang?

the "barrio" was not known as OT early on., the barrio started getting attracting mexicans since the 1910s, and it was jamming by the 1940s, but it wasn't until the 1950s that the "gang" OTNC came out.

Well Im Pretty Sure In the Old Days Before The Actual Gang Formed When You asked People That Resided There They Would Say Old Town Right?? So Whos Older Them or Logan??

wolfman Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:53 am

they're both about the same time., Logan was not one varrio., i did a thread on that not too long ago., i broke down a little history on both the red steps a.k.a. los cherries, a.k.a. barrio logan, and logan heights., saying barrio logan and varrio logan is not the same thing., varrio logan heights incorporates red steps, treinta, treinta y tres and the later 13 locos, plus lh clika., but barrio logan is solely the red steps., before logan heights got together there were other clubs like the osos and the coyoyes and the cherries and the chicanos and others, they all gave way to the modern varrio logan heights., it was the same thing in old town national city, only that it was kinds backwards, otnc came before the enano boys, the insane boys, the gatos, and the antiguos., old town got its name only after the city decided to target the old barrio as a blighted area and targeted for redevelopment., they went an uprooted la gente and then put up low rent housing for them to move into., old town was the name given to that part of town where the barrio was by the city., the old navy housing complex and the olivewood housing was the og area for otnc., this all came about after world war 2

Forum Gawd Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:55 am

wolfman wrote:they're both about the same time., Logan was not one varrio., i did a thread on that not too long ago., i broke down a little history on both the red steps a.k.a. los cherries, a.k.a. barrio logan, and logan heights., saying barrio logan and varrio logan is not the same thing., varrio logan heights incorporates red steps, treinta, treinta y tres and the later 13 locos, plus lh clika., but barrio logan is solely the red steps., before logan heights got together there were other clubs like the osos and the coyoyes and the cherries and the chicanos and others, they all gave way to the modern varrio logan heights., it was the same thing in old town national city, only that it was kinds backwards, otnc came before the enano boys, the insane boys, the gatos, and the antiguos., old town got its name only after the city decided to target the old barrio as a blighted area and targeted for redevelopment., they went an uprooted la gente and then put up low rent housing for them to move into., old town was the name given to that part of town where the barrio was by the city., the old navy housing complex and the olivewood housing was the og area for otnc., this all came about after world war 2

Yeah I kind Of read the Think On Logan Hieghts A While Back... So They All Were Clubs That Joined Together Basically ?

wolfman Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:05 am

i don't see them as joining together, but more like raza from the neighborhood that grew up and faded, but the younger gente got it together., kinda like the vultures from SIDRO., i thought that the Enanos were the first in SY, but the vultures (buitres) are older., the only thing is that the vultures were more crazy club type of people, while the enanos where credited with getting the varrio started., and in-between them are the coachmen., and the coachmen were more like cruisers and rumblers that gave way to the enanos who became more varrio oriented., coachmen are still around with their old and young generation, but they still remain ranfla oriented., bad ass bombitas they got fixed up cruising the calles and hitting them car shows.

Forum Gawd Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:09 am

So Basically The Faded Away And They Left Influence That Made The Area Into a Full Blown Varrio.!! So Are Coachmen The Only Ones Still Around??

wolfman Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:12 am

nK SLEP ROCK wrote:So Basically The Faded Away And They Left Influence That Made The Area Into a Full Blown Varrio.!! So Are Coachmen The Only Ones Still Around??

you mean like olden ones still around?

nah, the crazy gang is fully operational, and the yatos i hear still have a representation, the palmas suppodsedly still hold credit with palm city, and del sol has a lot of older gente., that's just my neck of the woods

Forum Gawd Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:14 am

wolfman wrote:
nK SLEP ROCK wrote:So Basically The Faded Away And They Left Influence That Made The Area Into a Full Blown Varrio.!! So Are Coachmen The Only Ones Still Around??

you mean like olden ones still around?

nah, the crazy gang is fully operational, and the yatos i hear still have a representation, the palmas suppodsedly still hold credit with palm city, and del sol has a lot of older gente., that's just my neck of the woods

Like Some Of Those Clubs From the Old Days? Like Do anybody from The Heights Claim Any Of These As Clicks or You Know What i mean.?? Do They Still Have Car Shows With These Clubs as Host Thats What i meant.!

wolfman Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:18 am

yeah well you know i havent been hitting much of anything lately., i kinda dropped off the scene altogether., but i got a couple of firme logan homeboy compas that i'll hit up and ask about it., but i don't know how much history they know., i know one of them is og LH13Locos who was breaking down the 13Ls and LHClika history for me, so he's younger than me., the other vato i don't see him that often, but i'll dig up what i can when i can.

Forum Gawd Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:38 am

wolfman wrote:yeah well you know i havent been hitting much of anything lately., i kinda dropped off the scene altogether., but i got a couple of firme logan homeboy compas that i'll hit up and ask about it., but i don't know how much history they know., i know one of them is og LH13Locos who was breaking down the 13Ls and LHClika history for me, so he's younger than me., the other vato i don't see him that often, but i'll dig up what i can when i can.

Your Forum Used To Have Alot Of Dudes Postin Shit What happened To them?? They Just Ran Off Huh Lol.!! I used To actually Read Some Of That History shit On SD Varrios.!! i Actually Met A couple Dudes From Younger Varrios Like West gang Nd Diablos dem Dudes Seemed Stuck In The 90s still Talking all Calo Nd Shit... They More Traditional Out There probably.

wolfman Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:13 pm

StereoTypical Sureno X3 wrote:
wolfman wrote:yeah well you know i havent been hitting much of anything lately., i kinda dropped off the scene altogether., but i got a couple of firme logan homeboy compas that i'll hit up and ask about it., but i don't know how much history they know., i know one of them is og LH13Locos who was breaking down the 13Ls and LHClika history for me, so he's younger than me., the other vato i don't see him that often, but i'll dig up what i can when i can.

Your Forum Used To Have Alot Of Dudes Postin Shit What happened To them?? They Just Ran Off Huh Lol.!! I used To actually Read Some Of That History shit On SD Varrios.!! i Actually Met A couple Dudes From Younger Varrios Like West gang Nd Diablos dem Dudes Seemed Stuck In The 90s still Talking all Calo Nd Shit... They More Traditional Out There probably.

stuck in the 90s? calo and shit? what would you know about calo? would you understand me if i used clachate, instead of wachate? or are you all too far gone in a new wave of thought., one without old culture in it? calo would be part of that old culture., but if your talk is now hooked up with hip culture and prison talk, and it now plays-on-words of the english version of everyday communication instead of our own old, then yeah, i can see where some language may seem antiquated and old for you to use., nevertheless, the huge contributions it has done to your team mates and to your own career, is, undeniable., and what that old calo has done to shape your attitude on life, is, clearly not given due credit, because, you clown on it., or so it reads as if you do.. what all those people that have come and gone at the Kings'Dome have done, is simply "contributing"., why they have left and gone, well, to each it's own., that's their business., i don't know., but it was good when it was all happening, and it was happening at the time., too bad., i sure would of like to have kept it going., maybe it can still be kept alive, if people would just be cool and spill their thoughts on things, instead of getting to high on themselves., tu sabes

Drunky McThuggerton Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:13 am

wolfman wrote:
StereoTypical Sureno X3 wrote:
wolfman wrote:yeah well you know i havent been hitting much of anything lately., i kinda dropped off the scene altogether., but i got a couple of firme logan homeboy compas that i'll hit up and ask about it., but i don't know how much history they know., i know one of them is og LH13Locos who was breaking down the 13Ls and LHClika history for me, so he's younger than me., the other vato i don't see him that often, but i'll dig up what i can when i can.

Your Forum Used To Have Alot Of Dudes Postin Shit What happened To them?? They Just Ran Off Huh Lol.!! I used To actually Read Some Of That History shit On SD Varrios.!! i Actually Met A couple Dudes From Younger Varrios Like West gang Nd Diablos dem Dudes Seemed Stuck In The 90s still Talking all Calo Nd Shit... They More Traditional Out There probably.

stuck in the 90s? calo and shit? what would you know about calo? would you understand me if i used clachate, instead of wachate? or are you all too far gone in a new wave of thought., one without old culture in it? calo would be part of that old culture., but if your talk is now hooked up with hip culture and prison talk, and it now plays-on-words of the english version of everyday communication instead of our own old, then yeah, i can see where some language may seem antiquated and old for you to use., nevertheless, the huge contributions it has done to your team mates and to your own career, is, undeniable., and what that old calo has done to shape your attitude on life, is, clearly not given due credit, because, you clown on it., or so it reads as if you do.. what all those people that have come and gone at the Kings'Dome have done, is simply "contributing"., why they have left and gone, well, to each it's own., that's their business., i don't know., but it was good when it was all happening, and it was happening at the time., too bad., i sure would of like to have kept it going., maybe it can still be kept alive, if people would just be cool and spill their thoughts on things, instead of getting to high on themselves., tu sabes

lol hes 19.

Forum Gawd Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:23 am

Fuck Nugget Im 18....... -.-

wolfman Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:35 pm

SOUTH BAY / SOUTH SIDE SAN DIEGO
SOxBAY, the “SOUTH SIDE” of SAN DIEGO;
Rich in the tradition of the Varrios..

With old neighborhoods and antiguo Raza that cliqued up and set up their Varrios long ago.

Varrios which are now on the list amongst the very olden ones of all thee "1902" Condado.

Varrios even as old as those from other Sides of the County;
Like those from
BARRIO LOGAN,
BARRIO SHERMAN,
LA COLONIA EDEN GARDENS
or ENSENITAS TORTILLA FLATS

All of these same Olden SOUTHxBAY Varrios..

Like
SIDRO
DEL SOL
IMPERIAL
OTAY
PALMAS
NESTOR
OTNC
VCV

~> Survive going strong..
even onto this present age

How and when did it all start out down here?
It is hard to say.
It's all been around for a long ass time.
Part of it you can tell by the plenty numeros of oldie vatos still kicking it in these parts of the Old Land!..

The attitude i dare say,
has been here
from as far back as there’s been raza staking claim to a piece of ground in the Southwest
The Southwest called ~> AZTLAN..
and that goes back, way back..
way way back in time.

From old beginner times, these local grounds have been a cross-road between the two Republics of European-White-America and European-Mestizo-Mexico.
Both cultures threw some in there and spiced up the soul, helping out to lift up the heads of the local vatos.
High on pride and commitment to family, they carried themselves and went about their days laboring in the fields, working in the packing plants, working in construction projects, or on the docks.
After work they would always find some time to socialize, drinking some brews, puffing on frajos, on the strings and cords with their liras serenading the ladies with their romantics, or singing their sadness to the night.
A sad but happy hard life they lived, their days and nights were always filled with laughter, but filled with tears as well.
Their sad souls, their rough faces, their strong defiant and valiant attitude towards hardship, their commitment to one another, it all was watched and learned from, it all was deposited on the hearts and minds of the next generation who witnessed them, and the next generation tried to duplicate it all, in their own version, during their own growing up times.

Dirt streets criss-crossed the neighborhoods, a clear sign to outsiders that they'd entered the poor side of the town.
That’s what they were originally, isolated little villages on the outskirts of the society-in-charge of business and politics.
Poor little enclaves called Barrios and Colonias, soon to be marked for destruction by city planners and the wheels of time.
Nevertheless, the Low-Down Raza from the Poor-Sides grew ever stronger in the Califas style that sparked up the humble rebel-in-them.
They got into car clubs, picked up motorcycles, dressed down and hit the dancehalls.
They blazed up and hanged out with the crowd, kicking it at the corner, at the park or at the pool hall.
The times kept bringing on fast changes to the Barrios.
The music sounds, the fashion trends, the city landscape, the population mix., everything and all; the tic tocs of creeping time moving them fast-forward into the future, not giving much chance for the younger generations to fully grasp things from the old side of the fence, and so they adopted what they could, and disguised the new..
Raza Loca de Califas they became, first Pachucos, then Cholos, and now Brown Pride Gangsters!

American Gangsterism captivated and seduced the Vatos Locos, one generation after another.
Just like the rest from all over the Brown Nation of Aztlan, they carried inside their veins the fiery blood of a warrior past, and so they created their modern tribes, their modern neighborhood clans.
Their attitude remained the same ole one, that of a Mexican trapped inside America.
Mexico forgot about them, and America denied them.
Not from here, nor from there, they found themselves as from neither one;
And so they went about in creating their own little countries in the form of Varrios..
They gave their allegiance, and devoted themselves to one another, backing each other against any and all enemies.
As time went by, little by little, they built up their own sub-culture.
They transformed their dress code to conform to the flamboyant look;
They re-invented the English and Spanish language and applied a slang version to their everyday talk.
El Vato Loco drapped himself with the gangster image of the American Roaring 20s and 30s, but a-la-Mexican version.
Rebels of society who strolled around, and rolled around, defining their space, marking their territory, establishing their borders.
Going places, they’d run into hassles.
Rumbles and throwing down with others from around near-by became the thing.
Soon, street warfare between Brown Raza replaced fighting for racial space, and soon enough, the Varrios became fully focused on each other.
Their rivalries rose to a level of hatred and violence for which there is no end in sight.
The toe to toe, the fists and kicks gave way to knives and chains;
Knives and chains in turn gave rise to guns and rifles;
And now automatics and high-power calibers reign supreme.
What was once about your street, your friends, your space in this great little big world, became ever more encroached upon by new streets and new faces, faces with new ideas and aspirations for life.

The old nostalgia is becoming but a faded memory, seldom remembered in the concrete jungle rat-race.
Thee rat-race virus, unstoppable in its invasion and corruption of a vato's soul!

The SOxBAY first crazy vatos are lost to recorded history.
Few records exist other than a few newspaper articles pertaining to “criminal” activity.
The rest comes from a few old heads that can tell you the tales from the hood in small talk personal conversation.
But it is said that amongst the first to organize into what later gave rise to the Varrios of today, are said to be those like THEE IMPERIALS from Imperial Beach, the VULTURES from San Ysidro, and the ANCHOR BOYS from National City.
A later generation like the COACHMEN from Sidro, and the YATOS from Otay are credited to be from the actual generation that cliqued up and formed the Varrios as we know them today..

IMP13, IMPERIAL
SYR, SIDRO
O13, OTAY
OTNC, VIEJO
VLPR, PALMAS
VCV, CHULA VISTA
DSR, DEL SOL
and NST, NESTOR

are listed as the oldest of the SOxBAY.

These SOxBAY Varrios like others from other parts of the County and State, were able to maintain themselves old-school and traditional;
Each one was able to keep their locals united, and each new Varrio clique gave their first allegiance to the Varrio, the clique came second!

The SOxBAY varrios were able to keep it together like that for several decades, all the way up to the late 1970s.
But by then, several factors had begun to take a toll on their little nations.
The freeway system was built over Barrio lands, destroying whole sections of the neighborhoods, creating physical barriers and divisions between their communities.
Palm City, Chula Vista, National City, Nestor and San Ysidro were the hardest hit by the criss-crossing freeway system.
New housing developments and commercial business complexes arose here and there and everywhere.
The population growth brought tons of new faces and skin shades, and different attitudes to the sacred grounds.
The later trolley line further added a boundary for some.

Whereas before all the locals from each Varrio started out in the same Elementary school and Junior High;
Now, there were many different schools in each town.
The nostalgia of the Old Times had passed and the new sounds, the new garb, the new rides, new trends, new this, new that and new everything propagated by the media and Hollywood in full partnership with business entrepreneurs, had propelled the younger minds into a wide diversity of styles.
The 1980s killed the old and propelled the Varrios into a new era, an era with few rules and deviant attitudes.
Too many vatos going in all different directions, and too many vatos coming in from other places making the SOxBAY their stomping grounds.
Vatos from other SD areas, vatos from LOS, vatos from Tijuas and Mexico, vatos from all over have come down over the years and added their differences to the mix.

The Varrios remain still as one, but the Barrios themselves are far from that.

Law enforcement took its toll on the Varrios as well.
An abundance of resources were put into play..
Once an area was targeted for “clean up” ..
so many Homies began to get locked up for long ass years at a time;
Thus leaving less and less solid vatos on the streets to demonstrate some ole school clecha and recruit.

The effects of so many changes became something of a free-for-all for vatos to go about it any which way that suited them best.
Rockers, Party Crews, Taggers, Stoners, Rock-A-Billy’s and others pulled people away from the Varrios;
And the once huge numbers a Varrio pulled, dropped down big time.
The many new crews that sprung up bordering on the old streets..
in time also gave rise to their own new Treces.

And..

After all is said and done, suffice to say that even with all that heavy chet that has come down on these old grounds..

~> the Old Varrios continue to come out strong..
Defying it all:

Including time itself!

Can’t no one claim that the SOxBAY / SOxSIDE can’t hang with the best..
Because they are from The Best!

From an OLD GUARD of BARRIOS that transcends the decades!

DEDICATED TO THEE OLD SOxBAY VARRIOS . . .

PUT THEM UP

OLDEST GANGS IN SAN DIEGO??? - Page 2 WOLFY

OLDEST GANGS IN SAN DIEGO??? - Page 2 WOLFY

TODO CYCO!

XVXX Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:21 pm

wolfman wrote:Hood or Gang?

the "barrio" was not known as OT early on., the barrio started getting attracting mexicans since the 1910s, and it was jamming by the 1940s, but it wasn't until the 1950s that the "gang" OTNC came out.

WESS UP WOLF. It's BANDIT.

Yeah your pretty much right on. I have them documented as OTNC Publically since 1949, but you kknow the newspaper is on the late train.

There were gangs in OTNC since before 1941. I read an article of a counselor working at CASA DE SALUD in 1941 stating there were gangs in her early arrival. It was white gang vs mexican gang.

Casa De Salud was located in the heart of OTNC .

XVXX Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:23 pm

AFTER DOING SOME EXTENSIVE RESEARCH I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT MY HOOD OTNC IS THE OLDEST GANG IN SD COUNTY.

ALL THE UNCONFIRMED ACCOUNTS OF OTAY, SAN YSIDRO, AND POSOLE BEING FROM THE 20'S AND 30'S HAS YET TO BE PROVEN. WE CAN'T TAKE HE/SHE SAY OR MY GRANDMA SAID... STORIES.

PLUS, AREAS WERE HARDLY DEVELOPED AND MOST MEXICAN FAMILIES LIVED NEAR RAILROADS AND PLACE THEY CAN DO FARM WORK.

NC IS AN OLD CITY AND SO IS THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO. IN THE EARLY MID 30'S THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO ANNOUCES A YOUTH DELIQUENCY PROBLEM. 1941 IS THE FIRST WRITTEN CONFIRMED FACT THAT MEXICAN GANGS EXISTED IN NC. THE TONE OF THE WRITTEN FACT MAKES YOU BELIEVE THEY EXISTED BEFORE 1941 BY PROBABLY 3-5 YEARS.

THEN IN 1950 SD RECOGNIZES A GANG PROBLEM AND THERE WAS ONLY 3 GANGS RECOGNIZED. WHICH MAKE SENSE IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SD AND HISTORY.

TIMELINE:
1929: CITY OF NC AND NC WELFARE OPEN CASA DE SALUD HEALTH CLINIC (LOCATED IN OTNC)

1937: CASA DE SALUD EXPANDS AND OPEN YOUTH FACILITY CATERING TO OVER 250 MEXICAN YOUTHS. ALSO, THEY WERE TEACHING CLASSES ON AMERICANIZING IN PRIOR YEARS.

1939: CITY OF SD ANNOUCE YOUTH DELIQUENCY (MOSTLY CATERING TO WHITE KIDS) PROBLEM AND HAVING ALTERNATIVE CLUBS LIKE BOYSCOUTS, YMCA, AND CASA DE SALUD FOR MEXICANS.

1941: NEW YOUTH DIRECTOR AT CASA DE SALUD RECOGNIZES GANGS FIGHTS AMONGST MEXICAN KIDS AND WHITES

1944: FIRST GANG FIGHT BETWEEN LOGAN (TOLTEC CLUB FROM 3100 ISLAND AVE) AND OTNC OVER NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND A DANCE.

1949: MAJOR GANG FIGHT BETWEEN LOGAN AND OTNC OVER HOUSE PARTY IN LOGAN. LEAVES ONE BOY FROM LH SERIOUSLY INJURED.

1950: SD RECOGNIZES 3 GANGS OTNC, LOGAN, AND OTSD. A SO CALLED 3 WAY WAR. LOGAN HAS HUGE FIGHTS WITH OTSD OVER A FRIEND BEING JUMPED IN OTSD.

wolfman Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:52 am

^ ^ orale, hey man, i spent some time gathering up info on the start of the OTNC barrio, and i got some notes and shit that i got to go and dig up, but basically i traced it back to the original block of housing., i'll get that for you later (otro dia)., yeah, but that's a trip on OTSD <~ that's that small varrio over there by mission hills, que no? I had heard of them being around back in the days, but man i never thought that they went back that far.. good spill tho'

XVXX Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:04 pm

wolfman wrote:^ ^ orale, hey man, i spent some time gathering up info on the start of the OTNC barrio, and i got some notes and shit that i got to go and dig up, but basically i traced it back to the original block of housing., i'll get that for you later (otro dia)., yeah, but that's a trip on OTSD <~ that's that small varrio over there by mission hills, que no? I had heard of them being around back in the days, but man i never thought that they went back that far.. good spill tho'

IT TRIP ME OUT I HAVE THE ARTICLES. DO YOU KNOW HOW TO UPLOAD PDFS??

OTSD WENT FROM MISSION HILLS ALL THE WAY TO THE OLD TOWN TROLLEY STOP AROUND MORENA BLVD NEXT TO THE 5. NOW I SEE WHY THEM AND LINDA VISTA DOESN'T GET ALONG.

BUT BOTH OLD TOWNS WERE MORE IN TOUCH WITH THERE SPANISH ROOTS WHILE LOGAN WAS IN TO THE AZTEC/MEXICAN HERITAGE. SO, I GUESS LOGAN WAS SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE TWO AND WOULD BEEF WITH BOTH. THE CRAZY THING IS THERE IS NO GANG DELIQUENCY ISSUE IN OTAY, OCEANSIDE, OR SAN YSIDRO UNTIL THE LATE 50'S AND EARLY 60'S.

MY ASSUMPTION IS EACH ACCOUNT SHOULD BE GIVEN AT LEAST A 3-5 YEAR GRACE PERIOD TO WHEN THEY ORIGINATED, BECAUSE THE MEDIA/NEWSPAPER WAS ON THE LATE TRAIN AND SDPD DIDN'T WANT TO CONFRONT THE GANG ISSUE.

BUT 1950 WAS THE YEAR WHEN THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THE GANGS AND HAD A 3 SERIES SPECIAL AND ONLY OTSD, OTNC, AND LH WAS RECOGNIZED. ESD WAS MENTIONED, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE A WHITE GANG. IT STARTED AT THE H.S.

XVXX Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:23 pm

LOBO,

I HAVE BEEEN ASKING ABOUT THE ANCHOR BOYS AND THERE IS NOBODY I KNOW CAN CONFIRM THEM OR EVEN HEARD OF THEM. I HAVE ROOTS TO A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN NC SINCE 1920 AND WORKED WITH GANGS IN THE 40'S-50'S AND NADA.

THERE'S OTNC (RESIDENT REUNION) IN OLD TOWN EVERY YEAR AND I WENT TO ONE A FEW YEARS BACK. THERE WAS ANOTHER CLICK CALLED THE MUTES/OTNC I GUESS THEY WERE AROUND WHEN CHERRY GANG WAS BANGING.

I FOUND THAT INFO ON GOOGLE. OTHER SD CLICKS DURING 50'S AND 60'S

YATOS- OTAY

NIDO BOYS- ???

vALLEY BOYS- LH 33RD

ROYAL GENTS-SHELLTOWN

LOS HERMANOS- SHELLTOWN

MUTES- OTNC

BLACK ANGELS- LOGAN

TumbleWeed Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:38 pm

How many Hispanic gangs are there in S.D. city?

American Zombie Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:45 pm

^ someone should make a detailed list of all SD hoods for those of us unfamiliar to SD. I've been to SD several times but still never knew who's hood I was in unless it was Logan heights. Someone break it down and explain more less what part of town each hood is from and which ones are within the city and which ones are in the county but not city. I always get confused on that. My introduction to SD gangs was all through Chicano rap.

wolfman Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:32 am

XVXX wrote:LOBO,

I HAVE BEEEN ASKING ABOUT THE ANCHOR BOYS AND THERE IS NOBODY I KNOW CAN CONFIRM THEM OR EVEN HEARD OF THEM. I HAVE ROOTS TO A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN NC SINCE 1920 AND WORKED WITH GANGS IN THE 40'S-50'S AND NADA.

THERE'S OTNC (RESIDENT REUNION) IN OLD TOWN EVERY YEAR AND I WENT TO ONE A FEW YEARS BACK. THERE WAS ANOTHER CLICK CALLED THE MUTES/OTNC I GUESS THEY WERE AROUND WHEN CHERRY GANG WAS BANGING.

I FOUND THAT INFO ON GOOGLE. OTHER SD CLICKS DURING 50'S AND 60'S

YATOS- OTAY

NIDO BOYS- ???

vALLEY BOYS- LH 33RD

ROYAL GENTS-SHELLTOWN

LOS HERMANOS- SHELLTOWN

MUTES- OTNC

BLACK ANGELS- LOGAN

whats up BIG BANDIT, orale big dogg, pues tu sabes, that deal about the ANCHOR BOYS was told to me my this one crazy old party animal, the same vato who told me about the old Logan Heights clubs, and that LH has been confirmed by other posters., pero tu sabes, you know best, that's your varrio so i'll leave it alone., several other locos have told me the same thing you have, that there ain't never been no NC Anchor Boys, so i believe you., btw, that's some good ole research you been doing. I like it. Keep it coming dogg.

wolfman Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:40 am

TumbleWeedBity wrote:How many Hispanic gangs are there in S.D. city?

SD city or county?

Still around or defunct included?

SOUTH BAY SAN DIEGO BONAFIDE GANGS

SAN YSIDRO (SIDRO)
IRIS AVENUE
DEL SOL
OTAY 13
IMPERIAL 13
NESTOR
VARRIO CHULA VISTA
WEST SIDE LOCOS
DIABLOS 13
PALM CITY (LAS PALMAS)
OLD TOWN NATIONAL CITY
ACRES BOYS (Lincoln Acres)
NC BLOCK BOYS
NC SOUTH SIDE MOB

XVXX Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:54 pm

wolfman wrote:
XVXX wrote:LOBO,

I HAVE BEEEN ASKING ABOUT THE ANCHOR BOYS AND THERE IS NOBODY I KNOW CAN CONFIRM THEM OR EVEN HEARD OF THEM. I HAVE ROOTS TO A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN NC SINCE 1920 AND WORKED WITH GANGS IN THE 40'S-50'S AND NADA.

THERE'S OTNC (RESIDENT REUNION) IN OLD TOWN EVERY YEAR AND I WENT TO ONE A FEW YEARS BACK. THERE WAS ANOTHER CLICK CALLED THE MUTES/OTNC I GUESS THEY WERE AROUND WHEN CHERRY GANG WAS BANGING.

I FOUND THAT INFO ON GOOGLE. OTHER SD CLICKS DURING 50'S AND 60'S

YATOS- OTAY

NIDO BOYS- ???

vALLEY BOYS- LH 33RD

ROYAL GENTS-SHELLTOWN

LOS HERMANOS- SHELLTOWN

MUTES- OTNC

BLACK ANGELS- LOGAN
whats up BIG BANDIT, orale big dogg, pues tu sabes, that deal about the ANCHOR BOYS was told to me my this one crazy old party animal, the same vato who told me about the old Logan Heights clubs, and that LH has been confirmed by other posters., pero tu sabes, you know best, that's your varrio so i'll leave it alone., several other locos have told me the same thing you have, that there ain't never been no NC Anchor Boys, so i believe you., btw, that's some good ole research you been doing. I like it. Keep it coming dogg.

Thanks homes. You been in SD longer then I've been alive plus I moved here as a kid in the 80's so you would know probably more than me. Don't discredit yourself, you been putting in a gang of work and your not always going to be a 100%.

I'm going to keep looking on anchor boys or anything. It's up for debate as far as when OTNC the gang was established. I have it in 1949 possibly 1944. NC gangs started at casa de salud which is in OTNC off Harding. So, I would consider any gang started there as OTNC especially a Mexican gang. Others could disagree, because it didn't have the name OTNC.

For example, FH is now consider Palm City aka LAS PALMAS gang. There a click of the old 1970's gang. Because they came up in the same area. Some will say its another under the banner of Las Palmas, because they started as taggers, but they evolved in the same hood??? It's hard to say.

The problem I have is tracing back OTAY and Sidro. According to what I have nothing until 1965. I didn't really try. But, in the gang special by the union tribune in 1950 they don't mention them just OTSD, LOGAN, and OTNC.

It seems as if Mexicans didn't even live over there or there was nothing over there no train. no work???

wolfman Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:06 pm

OTNC info left on the BK

anonimo wrote:To Lone wolf,
I was reading your chronology for National City and was surprised to see my old kilka left off the list. we were the National City homeboys, HBOYS, HBS, Nacional. We encompassed the area from OTNC in the West all the way to Rachel Street east south to 33rd and north to division. We had members from OTNC, ESNC, LANOITAN SHADOWS and Barrio NACIONAL from the area around kimnall park. We hung out at Las Palmas also known as " ele pe" and Kimball park as well as ROCA PARK in chula vista. We did not allow anyone else to join the clika as we were doing it all dirty and didn't want the kids to get in on it and so they had to start thier own clikas which is where the (Enanos)EBS, (Acre boys)ABS, (Block Boys)BBS,(Olden Boys) OBS, and even shell town Gamma GBS got thier names.At the time there were some people from the bolen park dukes, vickeystown and 18th street that moved in and tried to start thier barrios in Nacional. We held a meeting around 1977 at Las Palmas and outlawed all other barrios unless they had the letters Ene Ce in them. I remember fighting this guy named cobra that was trying to lay it down for 18th street and after he lost to me, one on one, they were done .Nobody else stepped forward from any of the other clikas and We united the barrio under one clika HBOYS and held it together till a HBOY killed someone and then we all started to go to jail and realized the mess we created. By 1982 under intense police pressure and due to our own self destructive tendencies, all HBoys were in jail, strung out on dope or had moved away. It was immediately after that highland ave was shut down and NCPD get up the pressure to keep the biggest and best cruise spot to ever hit san diego closed. I always felt bad aboout that part of our pendejadas but ni modo we were pendejos and fucked it all up for everyone else. But one thing I can attest to is that whomever got the wrong end of the stick with us had it coming and only got it after much patience on our part. We understood highland was an open spot for all to cruise but to disrespect the barrio the homes and the people there was a no-no and was not tolerated by our generation and so that was how highland was shut down.Putasos,filerasos y cuetazos como se dio recibieron.

anonimo wrote:Homeboy talking about INSANE ALLEY knows whats up. The first generation of INSANOS from IBS named themselves after the alley that ran north/south west of E Street. The alley used to be called INSANE ALLEY because of all the drama that OTNC would cause there. The first generation called themselves INSANE BOYS after INSANE ALLEY.

anonimo wrote:and other clicks in the nc were rasta boys 80's, cyclone boys 80's, locker boys early 80's, highland locos not sure the year, south side mob, 24st apts, Lil balas / bullet click 2000, prospect st, pistols older click, lil antigos 90's early 2000's, mid town klicka 2013, ws nc late 90's and early 2000's, lil enano boys aka L Ebs late 90's never allowed to grow, chicano brothers (club/click) late 70's early 80's. 13LocoS late 90's, otnc clicka -temecula click, still nesting, Nacional Ave (chula vista click that never popped off) 2000's, some these were not well known, the newer ones i know personally but most never got to see more than a few hit ups here and there and a bunch of hood politics came up so we wont speak on that part. i grew up in nc and my fam is deep in the set all the way to the roots of the barrio. i dont bang but i been in the mix of bullshit cuase my familia and just hearing the homies talk.

anonimo wrote:

THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER IT...I'M SANTO NATIONAL CITY ENANOS...BACK IN 1979 I WAS WRITING SANTO HBS ALL OVER...THEN THE HBS GRABED ME AND SAID I CAN'T WRITE HBS...THAT'SWHEN THEY NAMED US ENANOS BECAUSE WE WERE ONLY 12-13-14 YEAR OLDS...AND THE REST IS HISTORY...GOOD TO SEE MY CITY IS STILL ON TOP...SO LAST I WANT TO SAY TO ALL THE RAPERS FROM THE NASTY CITY..THE CITY OF RED DEVILS.. DON'T FORGET ABOUT US...SO PROPS TO THE GANGS OF THE EARLY 80'S ENANO BOYS THE HBS ..LOS GATOS...ARCE BOYS...BLOCK BOYS...ALLEY BOYS...CORNER BOYS...MIXED CREED...AND THE HOME GIRLS OF NC...ENANO GIRLS AND THE TINY LOCAS...

anonimo wrote:Lone Wolf is right about NC ANCHOR BOYS. They were around in NC BEFORE OTNC came up. They came up in the early 40's. OTNC Night Owls came up in the late 40's/ early 50's. The Night Owls claimed "OLD TOWN" NC, because their barrio remained in an undeveloped old part of National City (west of NC BLVD from 8th to 24th), while newer houses were being put up east of National City BLVD the late 40's and early 50's. That's why the street sighs past National City BLVD says E(ast) before the street name that far west into NC. Back then...that was the east side! OTNC Gatos (50's/60's) are said to be the generation after the Night Owls. I guess there are still homies from OTNC that have kept GTS going throughout the years via new recruits.

Anchor Boys were supposed to have died off in the 50's...after OTNC took off. Don't know if they were allied though...but my uncle told me that Anchor Boys and Otay used to beef in the 1940's.

When the media/NCPD reports that OTNC has been around since WWII...I think they mean gangs in NC have been around since WWII (NC Anchor Boys). I'm sure all of you are well aware of how much the media...and PD tend to screw up the real deal when it come to our hoods. I read a PD report by Sanders himself, whicj stated that the RED STEPS were a click of the LOGAN 30TH STREET gang! pfff

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