gun control debate

DaddIE Cray Lowk wrote:

Please no more Alex Jones...

Day Ryda wrote:

DaddIE Cray Lowk wrote:

Please no more Alex Jones...

The video wasn't really about Alex Jones...

DaddIE Cray Lowk wrote:

Day Ryda wrote:

DaddIE Cray Lowk wrote:

Please no more Alex Jones...

The video wasn't really about Alex Jones...

I didnt watch it the first time because I figured it was another review about the dumb stunt Alex Jones pulled off. I watched it and asked myself why didn't Jones do some more research, take a deep breath, and state some actual facts while correcting Piers 35 homicide claims.

Its a trip how its only 446 violent crimes per 100,000 people compared to that of the UK. The real funny part is how the U.S. has so high of a gun ownership rate and still other third world countries with much smaller populations some how manage to be a blood fest. The sad thing though, is that even with all these facts it wont change the minds of the idiots that are thinking these laws will make a difference. I am pretty sure that after they are done with their agenda a year later they will pull up some bullshit statistic that says the homicides have went down dramatically.

Yea the mass of people have no reasoning skills at all.

"oh the TV said there was a mass shooting. guns bad guns bad"

Violent crime has went down dramatically throughout the country and that isn't being said enough. If you turn on a cable news channel, you would think gun crimes was getting out of hand, and that mass shootings are increasing. Actually no, the media just chooses to focus in on each mass shooting more and more each time, and the ones with the most attention, like the Newtown shooting, are such big news stories because such events happen so rarely. That's why its insane to allow these scumbag politicians to act like we're in a crises.

There's a few reasons why I think crime has went down so much since the mid 90s.But I think the top reason is because the population of young males has supposedly went down compared to the previous generations. And young males have always made up the bulk of violent crimes.

I also want to defend violent video games because games seem to be another convenient scapegoat lately. More people than EVER are playing the most violent kind of video games ever made, and violent crime has still went DOWN. So if video games cause violence, then crime should be going up right now. Just like gun ownership has went up and crime went down. People are making dumb correlations.

DaddIE Cray Lowk wrote:Yea the mass of people have no reasoning skills at all.

"oh the TV said there was a mass shooting. guns bad guns bad"

Violent crime has went down dramatically throughout the country and that isn't being said enough. If you turn on a cable news channel, you would think gun crimes was getting out of hand, and that mass shootings are increasing. Actually no, the media just chooses to focus in on each mass shooting more and more each time, and the ones with the most attention, like the Newtown shooting, are such big news stories because such events happen so rarely. That's why its insane to allow these scumbag politicians to act like we're in a crises.

There's a few reasons why I think crime has went down so much since the mid 90s.But I think the top reason is because the population of young males has supposedly went down compared to the previous generations. And young males have always made up the bulk of violent crimes.

I also want to defend violent video games because games seem to be another convenient scapegoat lately. More people than EVER are playing the most violent kind of video games ever made, and violent crime has still went DOWN. So if video games cause violence, then crime should be going up right now. Just like gun ownership has went up and crime went down. People are making dumb correlations.

I agree with you for the most part, but your wrong about the video games. It's not just the video games, it's also the media we all revolve our lives around. No, I am not saying that playing Black Ops 2 makes the players want to get a gun and go on a bloody rampage, but all the social sites, video games, horror movies, movies with gore, pornography, and biblically antagonistic studies have their ways of corrupting todays youth.

In most cases I doubt playing a violent shooting game like Black Ops would instigate a kid into getting a gun and going on a rampage, but it does play a role. Especially if you let an 8 year old play the video game. They then don't want to watch traditional television for children such as Pokemon, Power Rangers, e.t.c.. They want to watch shows like Family Guy, South Park, and Robot Chicken. Now if your a mature adult you should know that a show like Robot Chicken mainly consists of frenetic sketch comedies that focus on making a jest out of the lives of celebrities. However, the adolescents of today don't know that. They see blood, fighting, shooting, scat jokes, and think it is hilarious. Next thing you know growing up watching shows for mature audiences has their minds so past where their maturity level should be that they think they have life figured out. They want to go out and have unprotected sex, fight anybody that looks at them wrong, and look at women with no respect because they look at everything as a piece of ass young or old. In the old days any kid like this would be considered immoral, and would probably be labeled an anti-social. Now its so common nobody pays it no mind. You think most of these kids end up graduating from a university? Hell they are lucky if they even pass high school. Next thing you know they are grown, and life is meaningless to them, everything they do is just for the moment without premeditating the future. Dumb ass kids decide to think Mottos like YOLO is how to live their lives.

If these idiots out there in these predominantly white areas realized that the guns were not the problem and that it was actually the media, and the schools then we wouldn't be really having to worry about crap like this. If these stopped judging everything based on what they see in the media then maybe the could start noticing how to really fix the problem.

People like me. and you know that the crime rate has went down. Even in these neighborhoods where we grew up in surrounded by heavy gang activity, it has went down. If you ask people like Nyte they would tell you that it has dramatically went downwards since the 80s and 90s, but seeing as were used to shootings it doesn't make difference in our lives. Those neighborhoods have like one homicide a year if not then non, and it is the talk of the decade for them. So many people dying has them frightened for their lives, and as soon as some political scum bag says he has a resolution they buy into it. The same way some jackass started the theory of y2k, and how people buyed into it is the same way they believe the crap we are fed by these politicians. People are sheeps, and in reality the politicians will most likely get what they want. Then after some sketchy statistics they will believe that they have prevailed and praise these politicians. It is up to you to be a leader. Leaders are not sheeps and we see what is truth, and what is a conspiracy.

I don't support evil anymore... so i'm anti-war, anti-violence, and anti-weaponry. I say, modify the 2nd amendment. Minimize the damage by limiting weaponry to law enforcement and military ONLY. If that. But this is America, and war is profitable, so that will never happen until the new world order kicks in, and they realize that armed citizens can rise up and create a revolution. It almost looks like that is what they are planning for as we speak.

JaesonBourne wrote:I don't support evil anymore... so i'm anti-war, anti-violence, and anti-weaponry. I say, modify the 2nd amendment. Minimize the damage by limiting weaponry to law enforcement and military ONLY. If that. But this is America, and war is profitable, so that will never happen until the new world order kicks in, and they realize that armed citizens can rise up and create a revolution. It almost looks like that is what they are planning for as we speak.

What The Hell? You serious Jae? I would never expect you to be pro-gun laws. What makes you think stricter gun laws would make a difference? Most of the crimes out on these streets are dont by guns not even registered? It strikes you no coincidence that all these massacres blew up out of nowhere right after the first time they tried making stricter gun laws was rejected?

Day Ryda wrote:

DaddIE Cray Lowk wrote:Yea the mass of people have no reasoning skills at all.

"oh the TV said there was a mass shooting. guns bad guns bad"

Violent crime has went down dramatically throughout the country and that isn't being said enough. If you turn on a cable news channel, you would think gun crimes was getting out of hand, and that mass shootings are increasing. Actually no, the media just chooses to focus in on each mass shooting more and more each time, and the ones with the most attention, like the Newtown shooting, are such big news stories because such events happen so rarely. That's why its insane to allow these scumbag politicians to act like we're in a crises.

There's a few reasons why I think crime has went down so much since the mid 90s.But I think the top reason is because the population of young males has supposedly went down compared to the previous generations. And young males have always made up the bulk of violent crimes.

I also want to defend violent video games because games seem to be another convenient scapegoat lately. More people than EVER are playing the most violent kind of video games ever made, and violent crime has still went DOWN. So if video games cause violence, then crime should be going up right now. Just like gun ownership has went up and crime went down. People are making dumb correlations.

I agree with you for the most part, but your wrong about the video games. It's not just the video games, it's also the media we all revolve our lives around. No, I am not saying that playing Black Ops 2 makes the players want to get a gun and go on a bloody rampage, but all the social sites, video games, horror movies, movies with gore, pornography, and biblically antagonistic studies have their ways of corrupting todays youth.

In most cases I doubt playing a violent shooting game like Black Ops would instigate a kid into getting a gun and going on a rampage, but it does play a role. Especially if you let an 8 year old play the video game. They then don't want to watch traditional television for children such as Pokemon, Power Rangers, e.t.c.. They want to watch shows like Family Guy, South Park, and Robot Chicken. Now if your a mature adult you should know that a show like Robot Chicken mainly consists of frenetic sketch comedies that focus on making a jest out of the lives of celebrities. However, the adolescents of today don't know that. They see blood, fighting, shooting, scat jokes, and think it is hilarious. Next thing you know growing up watching shows for mature audiences has their minds so past where their maturity level should be that they think they have life figured out. They want to go out and have unprotected sex, fight anybody that looks at them wrong, and look at women with no respect because they look at everything as a piece of ass young or old. In the old days any kid like this would be considered immoral, and would probably be labeled an anti-social. Now its so common nobody pays it no mind. You think most of these kids end up graduating from a university? Hell they are lucky if they even pass high school. Next thing you know they are grown, and life is meaningless to them, everything they do is just for the moment without premeditating the future. Dumb ass kids decide to think Mottos like YOLO is how to live their lives.

If these idiots out there in these predominantly white areas realized that the guns were not the problem and that it was actually the media, and the schools then we wouldn't be really having to worry about crap like this. If these stopped judging everything based on what they see in the media then maybe the could start noticing how to really fix the problem.

People like me. and you know that the crime rate has went down. Even in these neighborhoods where we grew up in surrounded by heavy gang activity, it has went down. If you ask people like Nyte they would tell you that it has dramatically went downwards since the 80s and 90s, but seeing as were used to shootings it doesn't make difference in our lives. Those neighborhoods have like one homicide a year if not then non, and it is the talk of the decade for them. So many people dying has them frightened for their lives, and as soon as some political scum bag says he has a resolution they buy into it. The same way some jackass started the theory of y2k, and how people buyed into it is the same way they believe the crap we are fed by these politicians. People are sheeps, and in reality the politicians will most likely get what they want. Then after some sketchy statistics they will believe that they have prevailed and praise these politicians. It is up to you to be a leader. Leaders are not sheeps and we see what is truth, and what is a conspiracy.

I think we could even argue that, if anything, all these video games and TV shows may actually play a role in decreasing crime. Young people spend more time behind computer and TV screens these days instead of being bored out in the streets. Being bored out in the streets = getting into trouble. Plus, kids with violent or emotional problems, instead of playing a violent game and then deciding to go kill people, might actually decide not to go and kill anyone because he has taken out his aggression on the video game.

Don't get me wrong, video games ain't all positive. People probably spend way too much time behind screens and doing non-productive things. And the fact that people enjoy such violent games is kind of a bad reflection of them in that they enjoy bloody carnage. I even think some of the online games that take some intelligence to participate in are a sign of wasted talent. A lot of young creative talent gets misdirected towards gaming and not towards real world productivity but because the educational establishment is so corrupted, people have nothing better to do.

JaesonBourne wrote:I don't support evil anymore... so i'm anti-war, anti-violence, and anti-weaponry. I say, modify the 2nd amendment. Minimize the damage by limiting weaponry to law enforcement and military ONLY. If that. But this is America, and war is profitable, so that will never happen until the new world order kicks in, and they realize that armed citizens can rise up and create a revolution. It almost looks like that is what they are planning for as we speak.

The military kills way more people than the average gun owner in America.

1 million dead Iraqis, for example.

^^^ If you were to scratch your head in front of a cop they would probably shoot you. How many cases of people getting killed by cops for no reason are out there? Why are there no rallies for that? If we ain't allowed to get a gun because of idiots committing massacres then why would we let assholes that shoot teenagers for scratching their heads "endangering officers health".

The Attorney General’s exact words:

What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we’ve changed our attitudes about cigarettes. You know, when I was growing up, people smoked all the time. Both my parents did. But over time, we changed the way that people thought about smoking, so now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it.

They want us to cower in fear of our betters. Lol.

Wounded Knee.........Was about gun control?

'Bury Your Guns at Wounded Knee.'

December 29, 2012 marked the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection.” The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry’s death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation.” And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

http://lewrockwell.com/rep4/bury-your-guns-wounded-knee.html

RC wrote:

Satan Kisses babies too...

what do americans want with guns anyways? is not like they're really protecting themselves under the constitution from corrupt government because they themselves are the korrupt government., so who are they really gonna use the guns against if all hell broke loose? ., the "real" weaponry that can only be "afforded" by those with the money, and by those who are really trained in the use of armaments, is not you in the hood, homie from wyoming., chales., it is those same folks that got you already beat ~> the ones that make the laws and can afford the real weapons., the only reason why those same mofos play on laws and regulations, is to keep your mongrel hands off them same weapons., you got a strike against you, you're out., you got some court issues pending, you're out., you're classified as a mental case, you're out., all kinds of laws and legalities will be thrown on you little man., but the ruling class., the ruling race., the ruling system., they will keep the law to themselves, and the real guns, while you will be left with a peashooter to shoot your enemy next calle with., yeah!!!

wolfman wrote:what do americans want with guns anyways? is not like they're really protecting themselves under the constitution from corrupt government because they themselves are the korrupt government., so who are they really gonna use the guns against if all hell broke loose? ., the "real" weaponry that can only be "afforded" by those with the money, and by those who are really trained in the use of armaments, is not you in the hood, homie from wyoming., chales., it is those same folks that got you already beat ~> the ones that make the laws and can afford the real weapons., the only reason why those same mofos play on laws and regulations, is to keep your mongrel hands off them same weapons., you got a strike against you, you're out., you got some court issues pending, you're out., you're classified as a mental case, you're out., all kinds of laws and legalities will be thrown on you little man., but the ruling class., the ruling race., the ruling system., they will keep the law to themselves, and the real guns, while you will be left with a peashooter to shoot your enemy next calle with., yeah!!!

Its the principal of the matter. Free people do not give up their best weapons. Period.

Every government wishes to be a totalitarian state. Whether they're always able to or not is a different story. But every state ultimately wants to rule as a totalitarian state. No state feels comfortable with an armed citizenry.

States are only as strong as people make them to be, through belief in it. No state can survive if enough people within the population resist or refuse to obey it. If 30 guys with rifles try to take on the US federal government, they will obviously be crushed. If 10 million people decided not to pay their income tax, there would be nothing in the government's power to force all of them to. It all boils down to how many people will resist. If its enough people, then no shots ever need to be fired.
Although in some cases, armed resistance could make sense with a determined enough population. The most powerful military on earth can't win in Afghanistan. You cannot truly rule a large enough population that doesn't want to be ruled.

RC wrote:

lol everyone in that Japanese camp pic is smiling.... also peopel seem to be usig that car thing alot. i seen that argument alot right after the "sandy hook shooting"

DontxTrip wrote: lol everyone in that Japanese camp pic is smiling.... also peopel seem to be usig that car thing alot. i seen that argument alot right after the "sandy hook shooting"

You're supposed to smile when your picture is taken. And concentration camps are fun, or so I have heard.

Yeah, I use the car thing a lot too. Because some people argue to restrict gun ownership to preserve life. So I just think they should be consistent and prioritize.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57566009/thousands-march-in-d.c-for-gun-control/